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   Melissa Blue (mel_thegreat@romancelandia.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Dec-2022 09:35:26 JST Melissa Blue

   I really am tired of the "product of the time" excuse. Whatever marginalization also existed in that time. They were able to see and want and demand their full humanity.
   Yet why isn't that the barometer? It's always the bigoted and racist worldview that gets a weighted importance

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     whetstone (whetstone@romancelandia.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Dec-2022 09:35:22 JST whetstone

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     @mel_thegreat Yes! Enslaved people are the products of their time, too, and we can be sure they knew slavery was wrong. And even if we restrict ourselves to wealthy white men, acceptance of slavery was absolutely not universal. “Product of their time” implies they couldn’t have known anything different. Sorry, nope.

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     Melissa Blue (mel_thegreat@romancelandia.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Dec-2022 09:35:25 JST Melissa Blue

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     3/5ths of a human was a product of the time, but Dred Scott sued to be a whole human being that he was.

     Question why the wrong is the only consideration for what was right in "that time."

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     azteclady (herhandsmyhands@romancelandia.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Dec-2022 09:39:18 JST azteclady

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     • whetstone

     @whetstone @mel_thegreat If the "mores of the time" were universally accepted in the past, they would still be the mores today; change happens because there have always been people who've known what's wrong, and who've worked to create enough community consensus to move institutions/the law.