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@bajax @PonyPanda @JSDorn @Tactical it's the same with western animation too. Aside from reading tales about movies that were fucked by studio interference and movies that very famously snuck metaphors past the studio censors in the the old days (to the point tv tropes had a page for this), western (or outsourced) animation has 3 things it seems: shitty kids cartoons that assume you're braindead, cartoons that vary in quality for the 8-16 demographic give or take, and adult cartoons with as many lowbrow sex and pop culture jokes as possible that wind up becoming more popular with the kids and mentally stunted manchildren anyhow (family guy, south park, Simpsons, etc.)
This is because studios have the expectation that cartoons and animated movies are only for kids in the west meanwhile Japan in the 90s was producing anime that was cinematic in the way movies were, but how many Hollywood studios would dare make something like Akira, putting the sense of aesthetics aside? They know that some braindead mom who wants the tv to raise her kids will take their kids to the theater and ignore the warnings and cry and get the film pulled. Well Sausage Party was a film that existed but the entire premise was haha sex jokes.
It also took videogames forever to break out of this mold, and only when companies began to discover that shocking content sold in the early 90s in the USA did that change. While Nintendo of America was showing night trap to old congressmen to try to fuck over their competitor (whose mortal Kombat blood code led to more sales), in Japan they had games like Shin Megami Tensei which wouldn't have been able to be released in 90s America because you know, demons and the star of David.
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@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @JSDorn @Tactical This isn't unique to literature. comics in the west have been a completely sterile and stagnant medium since lthe 50s, while the east has turned them into an artform surpassing the best we ever made.
There's a lot of reasons for this, but the biggest issue is that our culture has this bizarre expectation of what these media are: books are sophisticated, intelligent, boring. Comics are for manchildren who obsess about continuity over storytelling.
Comics have been synonymous with capeshit since forever, because that was easy to make conform to censorship codes, while the only unique literary genres in the last few decades have been YA and "romance" novels. That's because It's become a hollow shell they use to smuggle smut to women and mindless shonen bullshit to tweens while people think it's actually educational and/or cultured because people are READING.
I think the truth is we are just a "cinematic" culture. If there are great new storytelling techniques to be discovered, it makes sense that it would emerge where the audience is, where there's a demand for new experiences rather than an expectation to conform to a standard. It doesn't matter whether the medium is perfectly suited to it, that's just where the cultural, creative dynamism is.
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@bajax @JSDorn @PhenomX6 @Tactical
This is something that's actually pissing me off though. Movies and television are using text to tell stories more now and to somewhat good effect. More and more of our life is lived through text and movies and television are reflecting that. But literature barely touched it.
And this just tells me that modern day literature is shit and behind movies and television.
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@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @JSDorn @Tactical despite being an anime, the long stretches of dialogue in ghost in the shell SAC are an example of what you're talking about-- something that could work fine in pure text. It also doesn't go overboard with "cyberspace", the main human characters often choosing not to use an avatar beyond just a generic symbol of their presence because avatars are for fags.
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@PhenomX6 @JSDorn @Tactical
You misunderstand... I'm asking specifically about literature. Written books and short stories and the like. I bring up virtual worlds because I think that they're a really stupid contrivance for the cyberpunk genre. Most online interactions are in the form of text and books are only text. These cyberpunk novels that make up virtual worlds are just ONE indicator of the many ways in which I think modern literature sucks because it's beholden to cinema. Books are written in a "cinematic" way and not a "literary" way if you can grasp the concept.
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@PonyPanda @JSDorn @Tactical I know dot hack iirc took place in both realms (in front of the computer and vr). Uplink (the game) also took place entirely in front of a computer terminal. Summer Wars is also an anime movie where it takes place in the real world and with the characters nonhuman avatars.
I've wanted to do a story where the online personas clash hard as well but to illustrate the disconnect between profile picture and user, amplified moreso with the troon craze.
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@PonyPanda @JSDorn whats up
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@Tactical @JSDorn is there much cyberpunk literature that tells the story through chat logs? I remember reading Neuromancer and Snow Crash and both books using some sort of virtual world where people interact like they were IRL. Talking to each other through idealized avatars. I always thought that this was kind of silly.
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@JSDorn Burned out programmers. Cyberpunk dystopia. Crypto speculation. Hellhound punk girl trying to learn how to skateboard. Evil anti-white corporations. Orthodox priest with shotgun and aimbot. Hispanic cartel hitmen. Mechs. Japanese Neo-Imperialist Samurai. Confederate Battle Mechs. Canadian Werewolves.
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@Tactical @JSDorn can I ask you a question about cyberpunk literature?
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@JSDorn I'll join you buddy. Rewritting shit fucking sucks, but it'll be awesome when I'm done.
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@Tactical I can't wait to read it brother.
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