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   georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 08:36:47 JST georgia
   both transphobia and homophobia are rooted in misogyny regardless of birth sex
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     φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 08:37:53 JST φ

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     @georgia more need to understand this

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 08:49:39 JST iced depresso

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     @hj @georgia to an extent its just culturally programmed.
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 08:49:41 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @georgia in my personal opinion and perspective.
     
     homophobia is more of a fear your same-sex/same-gender entities hitting on you, and in male case specifically the inmost fear of anal penetration (fecal fear). transphobia is kinda related but more complicated than that, it's literally falls into the "it's a trap" meme, which is kind of a shame, but overall it all comes down to "penetrate or be penetrated" and the precise subject of penetration (anal vs vaginal).
     
     from female perspective (in my imagination) it's really more about female competition for males, again this is my (retarded) understanding that women see each other as inherent rivals, so yuri (female homosexuality) seems very contradictory to instinct, and transfems seem like even more competition.
     
     all in all it's all just fucking retarded and i want to get out.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 08:52:48 JST georgia

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     @hj while youre right that a lot of homophobia against men is fear of being penetrated its moreso fear of being emasculated in general. your understanding of lesbophobia is wrong in my opinion. the idea is that women shouldnt "act like men" because women are inferior and thus can't be superior men, and that qualities which are good in men ruin women. all homophobia and transphobia are imo is "natal males/AMABS can't be/act like women because women are bad" and "natal females/AFABS can't be/act like men because women are bad." so in both cases, misogyny.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:10:51 JST georgia

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     @sun I agree with you that hatred of gay men can be caused by finding them dirty (like I said, I find anal sex disgusting but I dont find gay men themselves disgusting) but "they spread diseases" is very often an excuse to hate when the real reason is not so justifiable, like with refugees and the poor and medieval antisemitism. hence for homophobes it usually goes like "they get diseases because theyre bad" and not "theyre bad because they get diseases".
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:10:52 JST Blurry Moon

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     Ok but butt stuff is absolutely coupled with much much higher disease risk. It just is. Not saying that’s an excuse to hate people but people that do butt stuff, including heterosexual couples, are going to have to accept that it’s reasonable to find it vile. I can’t think of a nice way to say that. My out is I made a conscious choice to not care if people choose to do whatever as long as it’s consensual
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:10:53 JST georgia

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     @sun that was part of hjs point. I'm grossed out by poop and thus hate butt stuff (also, not very into butts), but im not homophobic against gay men. the fear of spreading diseases is part of homophobia for many people and I won't say one can't be homophobic because of that, but I think its usually "men acting like women is bad" as the primary or at very least a secondary factor, hence you get so many straight men into butt stuff with women these days and also acceptance of masculine gay men who top historically. also, not all male sex with men is anal. that conception imo is rooted in a heterosexual coitus-centered understanding of sex.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:10:54 JST Blurry Moon

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     What about people that are grossed out by poop
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     stickers (stickers@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:12:44 JST stickers

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     @georgia
     I have always felt strong misogyny AND misandry directed towards me when folks are acting transphobic. They hate me on both counts because they're applying their biases against both to me. For this reason, although not this reason alone, I find both misogyny and misandry to be intolerable, and unfortunately, misandry is not taken as seriously as it should be.
     @hj
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:12:44 JST georgia

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     @stickers @hj what do you mean when you say misandry is applied against you as well? I usually find that what's called misandry is actually another thing. like hatred of the poor or the criminal or the mentally ill.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:20:59 JST georgia

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     @stickers @hj this is true about many lesbian transfemme-excluding feminists but most terfs these days are married mumsnet types, not spinsters or lesbians. they use rhetoric which suggests they hate men talking about male violence and rape and male criminality but they rely on cis men to enforce transphobic policies and they are devoted to their husbands and male children.
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     stickers (stickers@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:21:00 JST stickers

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     @georgia @hj
     One example is that TERFs see transwomen as men, and they despise men, and therefore project all of their hatred of men onto transwomen.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:22:50 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kumicota @georgia oh well that is straight up wrong. That said, women who get aids almost always get it from a man who also did…buttsex with another man
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:22:50 JST georgia

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     @sun @kumicota AIDS is still prevalent in Africa and buttsex is viewed extremely negatively there
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:22:51 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kumicota @georgia of course you can but it’s phenomenally easier with buttsex
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     kumicota (kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:22:51 JST kumicota

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     @sun @georgia I know but there's people who thinks you can't get it from straight buttsex
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     kumicota (kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:22:52 JST kumicota

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     @georgia @sun One thing related to that always surprises me is the amount of people who that for some reason thinks you can't get HIV from straight sex, many times online and IRL, I've seen people and some of them have a higher degree than mine, saying with an open face that straight people can't get it
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:29:23 JST georgia

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     @sun @kumicota where did you get that idea? it seems dubious. most men in africa are not circumsized even though islam is prevalent in many places there. and AIDS isnt common in other muslim countries as far as I know.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 09:29:24 JST Blurry Moon

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     @georgia @kumicota yeah it’s true, similar reason though they prefer abrasive sex and other places prefer lubricants including natural ones like ur body’s
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:02:21 JST georgia

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     @sun @kumicota you said youve studied AIDS dissemination routes, where did you get "in Africa they have rough sex?"
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     kumicota (kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:02:22 JST kumicota

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     @sun @georgia
     Aren't those studies about groups affected by HIV and not the transmissibility? Because if is the former that's false equivalence
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:02:22 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kumicota @georgia there are two separate issues. Piv sex can spread aids. But anal sex it’s much much much more transmissible. So it goes through those populations more. Not just gay men. But men who have been in jail and opportunistically have sex with other men but are not gay
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:02:23 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kumicota @georgia you can read American CDC studies on it. Yeah it’s possible but look at who actually gets it
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     kumicota (kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:02:24 JST kumicota

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     • Blurry Moon
     @sun @georgia That's not true. Vaginal fluids and semen carries viruses too, including HIV. While the chance of buttsex is way higher, the chance of normal sex isn't negligible
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:04:20 JST georgia

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     @sun @kumicota would you care to explain
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:04:21 JST Blurry Moon

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     @georgia @kumicota years ago yes
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 01-Aug-2026 10:04:21 JST Blurry Moon

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     @georgia @kumicota there are just a lot of reasons that combine together for why het sex in Africa is such a big vector compared to USA and Europe. I didn’t even say it can’t be spread through piv sex just that anal sex is way worse