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Jesse Vincent (jesse@metasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 14:06:57 JST Jesse Vincent
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@darius Is there a clever fix for this? https://better.boston/@crschmidt/109394192155116280
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  Christopher Schmidt (@crschmidt@better.boston)
  
  There's a lot of things that I am adjusting to as far as interacting with Mastodon content goes, but "Unless you were following someone before they posted, it is likely that the replies to their post are an incomplete view and you have to click through to their instance to see the real replies, which you otherwise DO NOT KNOW ARE THERE" is ... not great.
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 14:06:56 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @jesse @darius I think in pump.io, the server for the OP reshares all the responses to all addressees. But it's not perfect, by far.
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 14:08:25 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @jesse @darius "all responses to all addressees" is not true. There are some checks.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 14:29:50 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius @jesse I think that should work too. I should probably go look at how I did some of these things
  
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  Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 14:29:51 JST Darius Kazemi
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  @evan @jesse I don't know about clever but it's never been clear to me why mastodon doesn't just make a request to the remote server for all replies and then run them through your standard local filters. My guess has always been it's a perf issue but that's just a guess.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 23:58:19 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius @blaine @jesse @cwebber a boost should really CC the OP! That's just polite, but it also helps keep the stats up to date
  
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  Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 23:58:20 JST Darius Kazemi
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  @blaine @evan @jesse @cwebber I think what's shown is "number of events this server knows about, which is guaranteed to be stuff from this server but also might be from other servers if for example a remote boost of this post landed in someone's timeline"
  
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  blaine (blaine@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 23:58:21 JST blaine
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  @evan @darius @jesse this is one scenario where Bluesky's and SSB's approach is better in that it makes it obvious where to go looking for the replies (but presumably this is just a matter of doing an eventual-consistency load? cc @cwebber)
  Related, the counts on everything (followers, replies, likes, etc) are totally inconsistent across instances. I *think* what's shown is "# of people who liked/boosted this from *this* server"
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 23:59:05 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius @blaine @jesse @cwebber when I say CC, I mean it in the AS sense
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:02:24 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @blaine @darius @jesse @cwebber
  Every Activity object can have a replies property with a stream of all replies.
  Every stream can have a count.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:08:48 JST Evan Prodromou
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  https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-replies
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:11:07 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @cwebber @darius @blaine @jesse I got it, don't worry
  Also, bto makes a lot of sense for social software. Bto followers is probably more correct than to followers if they're not directly addressed.
  
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  Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:11:09 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber
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  @evan @darius @blaine @jesse mega #vaguejoke
  
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  Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:11:10 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber
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  @evan @darius @blaine @jesse bto
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:25:55 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @blaine @darius @jesse @cwebber yeah, that would be nuts. That is why the OP's server should keep a paged collection of all replies, and clients can request more as they need them, and keep a last-read cursor so they don't have to refetch anything but the newest stuff.
  
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  blaine (blaine@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 00:25:56 JST blaine
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  @evan @darius @jesse @cwebber if ActivityPub has a feature but E doesn't agree to implement it, does it make a sound? ?
  (To be fair, scaling issues are real rn, re-fetching all the posts at even suitable intervals would be ... A lot)
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 03:59:53 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius does hometown keep posts local by reifying the server as a group or list and addressing activities to that group or list?
  
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  Tim Staines (staines@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 03:59:54 JST Tim Staines
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  Cc: @seb
  This seems like a good crew to ask - do any of you know how close the core team is to releasing a Plug-in system? I couldn’t access anything deeper than this page: https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/adding-plugins-to-mastodon/3653
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    Plugins could be a great way to encourage further development on Mastodon while releasing core developers from having to maintain every feature in use in the ecosystem. My question is, has anyone created designs or is anyone familiar with how best to add plugins to a system like Mastodon? I see in RubyOnRails that some use Engines to accomplish what’s done in plugins but have also heard of Railties being used. For my part, I’d like to create a system where features can be more easily turned on...
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  Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 03:59:54 JST Darius Kazemi
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  @Staines @evan @blaine @jesse @cwebber @seb no idea but I certainly haven't heard of any movement on it and also the software would require significant work to make plugins realistic so I'm guessing: don't hold your breath
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 04:14:38 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius
  Like
```
{
"to": {"id": "https://myserver.example/", "type": "Group"},
"object": {
"content": "Hello, local group!"
}
}
```
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  Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 04:51:30 JST Darius Kazemi
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  @evan no it's not done through ActivityPub at all, it's controlled via the mastodon API and the federation controller logic checks for a boolean in the statuses table when deciding where to send
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 04:51:30 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @darius OK. Thanks for building something that people like so much.
  
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