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I'll need to be vegan again to stop having problems with dairy
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@newt I kind of just bite the bullet and eat dairy anyway but youre not wrong
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@georgia jew fears the milk
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@newt my sister does too, I really should...
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@georgia half of my jew frens take lactase pills before eating dairy
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@newt I dont think I'm reproducing lol. I want to adopt one day though
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@georgia also consider a goy husband, so that your children can digest dairy. That's what my grandma did.
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@newt @echo most places have alternative milks now in my experience. I prefer it for animal welfare reasons.
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@echo @georgia man you have no idea how tired I am of these whinings about some nice cofe place not having lactose-free milk. At this point, I'd rather see my frens shit themselves from being lactose-intolerant genetic failures than listen to any more crap.
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@newt @georgia :puniko_milk:
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@newt @echo alternatively you could let the cow keep its calf and then take the excess milk but few corpos do that. they kill male calves (rarely even are they left alive for veal anymore, cause veal is considered cruel) and old female dairy calves. if I had my way the aurochs never wouldve gone extinct and all dairy farming would be vedic style but I do not have it my way.
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@georgia @echo true, but they usually stock it less than regular milk.
As for animal welfare, cows go quite insane if left unmilked. I mean it. If you don't milk your dairy cow every day, it will just chase you and force you to milk it. Happened to some people I knew.
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@newt @echo *old female dairy cows not calves
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@newt @echo you could say the same thing about a human infant, most livestock are more conscious than one yet we afford the human infant far more rights (and fewer responsibility)
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@georgia @echo yeah, those calves are then butchered and processed into food, gelatin, bone meal, and what not. Nothing goes wasted.
You are applying human sympathy towards something that doesn't have the brain capacity to receive and appreciate it. In this regard, it's not much different from plants or fungi, other than the fact that it can move.
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@echo @newt :gib:
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@newt @georgia Who said anything about cows?
Or animals, for that matter?
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@newt @echo cows are still conscious feeling beings. what about humans with severe mental impairments? relying on intellect as the metric for ethical treatment leaves them behind.
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@georgia @echo human infants are human, they will grow up. A cow will never grow up into human. It's as simple as that.
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@newt @echo your rhetoric is incredibly cruel but the example of pets makes another point for me. domesticated livestock are treated far worse than domesticated pets. confined in very tight spaces, often with unnecessary painful surgical procedures performed on them (while surgeries like declawing are now illegal), with their young taken and the males among them often murdered, and finally killed for their meat. they live lives of exploitation and pain, unlike domestic pets who are pampered to a degree. there is no logical difference underlying the disparate treatment between cows and pigs and cats and dogs. its just what humans have decided is okay.
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@georgia @echo and humans with severe mental impairments are treated not that much different from cows, except they aren't eaten. But for all intents and purposes, they are treated as pets. They are fed, taken care of, played with. We just don't talk about it this way.
Btw you can absolutely get a pet cow if you wanna and see it eventually die of old age. Or adopt a retard for the same effect.
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@georgia @echo @newt I sincerely believe that killing humans with severe intellectual disabilities is ethical
Moral obligation to do so even.
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@Hyperhidrosis @echo @newt killing anyone who doesnt pose a threat to life is a sin
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@pettanko @echo @newt it really is. killing at birth vs killing after 8 months in confinement, what's crueler? maybe veal but barely
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@georgia @echo @newt >veal is considered cruel, so we just kill the males instead
strange morality
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@Hyperhidrosis @echo @newt if you met the chuddha on the road
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@georgia @echo @newt I used to believe that too
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@georgia @echo @newt nothing would happen
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