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   Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:15 JST Yomiel
   Starmer... stop giving me your toughest battles... (defending you on the internet)
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     Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming (condret@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:10 JST Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming

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     • cy
     @cy you need people who know how to do things. you need to figure out all kinds of procedures over time an build institutions. you won't get that, if you fire everybody and hire new people after every election. i'm not saying that i like this.
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     Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming (condret@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:12 JST Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming

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     @yomiel @Griffith i wouldn't say it*s just a surveillance state that wants this, but also a surveilance industry. i don't believe in the deepstate as a bad thing, those are merely bureaucrat operators of the state machine mostly without any agenda of their own.
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     cy (cy@fedicy.us.to)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:12 JST cy

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     • Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
     You can be a perfectly decent person and still process the punchcards that help the trains take your victims to the camps. "The deepstate" is a bad thing because it's not publically accountable, and the complexity allows for atrocities to be covered up, and prevents people from stopping them. Even if everyone in it is a saint with no desire to murder or enslave anyone, the only justifiable action they can take is dismantling it, and going home to their family and friends.
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:13 JST Yomiel

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     @Griffith
     I think it's odd the cognitive dissonance in the average normalfags mind that they simultaneously think that in certain circumstances, the head of state is receiving orders to do things, and other times it is their own doing/agenda. Even that dichotomy in and of itself is kind of retarded.
     
     This online ID thing is an obvious example. Opinions among British rightoid goyim masses are split between this is being Klaus Schwab WEF directive or that it being communist Keir Stalin's next step of tyranny. Both ignore the more obvious possibility of this merely being a symptom of an unregulated and unaudited surveillance state operating within almost every nation, democratic or not.
     
     This kind of thinking is not just low IQ, it also prevents real systemic change.
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     Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:14 JST Griffith

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     @yomiel Conservatives would go for this under the exact same justification (protect da kids).
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:06:15 JST Yomiel

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     What does piss me off though is all the goyim who think this is a Labour problem, or even specifically a Keir Starmer problem.
     
     Conservatives and Lib Dems would support this. This isn't an ideological thing, it's institutional rot. This is happening all around the world, it's the unelected parts of the government growing greedier and greedier, demanding more surveillance powers.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jun-2026 08:11:49 JST Blurry Moon

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     • Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
     @condret @cy deep state is not quite the same as the permanent state, deep state means there are other power foci than elected officials