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ColdOnesLite? (coldoneslite@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 02:59:09 JST 
ColdOnesLite?
I hate both, but I hate homeless people more, the government should put them in concentration camps -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 02:59:07 JST 
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Homelessness would be temporary transient state in an ideal world. Data centers will be noisy ugly eyesores for a long time. -
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egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 02:59:08 JST 
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Both are bad -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:02:09 JST
BowserNoodle ☦️
A lot of people at soup kitchens and homeless/poor relief charties are “regulars”, but you also get people who you can tell are just temporary or new arrivals. It is very sad to see when there are kids involved. Usually the temporary or struggling ones seem ashamed or afraid to ask for things. -
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ColdOnesLite? (coldoneslite@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:02:10 JST
ColdOnesLite?
i once worked with a guy who volunteered at a homeless shelter and they had a recurring problem of people shitting in front of their door and smearing on the handle, you can't fix these people. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:18:34 JST
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It would be more ethical to use them for labor and feed and shelter them. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:18:35 JST 
Griffith
@BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain One of the problems with homelessness is permanently homeless people accumulate while temporarily homeless people dissipate. Most homeless people will have been homeless for a long time and will continue to be homeless, by simple virtue of the fact that those that aren’t, aren’t. The question of homelessness is essentially, “what are we going to do with people who are homeless forever?” Or “how do we stop that?” -
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egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:18:35 JST
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Well first off you eliminate all drugs. Then you put down all permanently homeless in some sort of ethical overdose. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:22:55 JST
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Still a human being. Many can be made useful even if it’s menial labor. -
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egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:22:56 JST
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Most are incapable of working due to drug dependency and severe mental issues. Most of those issues further pushed by said drugs. I dont necessarily want to just kill people, but these people will never be useful -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:23:53 JST
Griffith
@BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain I feel bad saying “use them for labor” but I am definitely in the “just give them homes” category. Once all of these people are given homes, they can be separated into the “drug addict” “dysfunctional low-IQ” and “crippling mental illness” categories and be dealt with separately. Keeping homeless people on street feels like keeping the most vulnerable elements of society in the worst conditions possible. My issue is homelessness compounds whatever other thing they’re going through, and even if they’re destined to be a permanently medicated street sweeper, you’ve got to at least take them out of that environment. It’s crazy to me that we have animal cruelty laws but don’t have a “so you’re permanently dysfunctional” social system that will just put them someplace safe. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:26:49 JST
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I feel bad too. I am functionally saying they would be better in minimum security prison or some type of equivalent place where they aren’t in charge of their own schedule and can at least be kept from harming others and hopefully themselves. That creates new challenges and problems, but having mediocre food and a crappy prisoner esque housing is better than sleeping on a stoop in the elements while being doped up. -
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egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:27:48 JST
egirlyuumimain
A lot of them dont want houses though. They want to live on the street. I know thats hard to believe, but its the truth. Others won't go to shelters because shelters have rules. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:28:00 JST
egirlyuumimain
Thats just the utilitarian angle. The Christian angle is to take the drugs from them give them a Bible food and shelter. And pray -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 03:28:00 JST
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Nothing say we can’t do all of those things. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:26:33 JST 
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
As someone who lives out of his car this is certainly true, in so many more ways than you can think of before you've experienced it. Being able to store multiple days worth of water for example has stopped me from drinking clay filled stream water.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:26:34 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain I can only imagine the stress raking on their brain when they’re sleeping in the open, wearing everything they own in a backpack, if they’re lucky. God help them if they have any exposure to drugs. It makes everything so much worse. Any bad thing that could happen, if it happens to a homeless person, is 5x worse. Even if it’s just a roof over their head and a lock on their door, even if it’s like, a shack, is better.
And that would clean up the streets. And maybe you’d even see some of them recover over time. I think soldiers and cops are probably the only ones who can experience a similar level of stress over an extended period as the homeless. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:37:32 JST
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@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain And people don't want you to move into their apartment because you're homeless. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:37:33 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
Also not having a mailing address locks you out of applying for most jobs. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:37:43 JST
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Are you doing okay ? Hopefully your current situation is stable and improving. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:57:02 JST
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@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain I do sort of believe homelessness is used as a threat against people so they remain permanently insecure, because it's such an agonizing tar pit, and fixing the problem forever wouldn't take much, even by the standards of social programs.
Jailing millions of people in the 90's didn't even cost that much, and the homeless population is a fraction of that size. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 04:57:02 JST
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[The tyrant] should impoverish his subjects; he thus provides against the maintenance of a guard by the citizen, and the people, having to keep hard at work, are prevented from conspiring. The Pyramids of Egypt afford an example of this policy; also the offerings of the family of Cypselus, and the building of the temple of Olympian Zeus by the Peisistratidae, and the great Polycratean monuments at Samos; all these works were alike intended to occupy the people and keep them poor. Another practice of tyrants is to multiply taxes, after the manner of Dionysius at Syracuse, who contrived that within five years his subjects should bring into the treasury their whole property. The tyrant is also fond of making war in order that his subjects may have something to do, and be always in want of a leader.
—Aristotle, Politics: Book Five: “Causes of Revolution and Political Instability”
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 05:16:43 JST
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>The average hobo isn't like what people who don't live around them imagine
The first time I took Bowsac Jr. with me to help at a soup kitchen
>”Dad, I thought these people would be like…in robes or something like what people in the Bible wore. They’re just normal people?!”
I guess the only thing people know is what they’re shown. It’s an “invisible” problem. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 05:16:44 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
Maybe, I just think people see a scraggly skinny fat white man smoking shirtless in front of a gas station and they feel instinctual danger instead of sympathy, and not always without justification. The average hobo isn't like what people who don't live around them imagine, and for the people who do they're begging for change and the uncertantly of if they're druggies or just unlucky causes them to get annoyed anytime they're force d to interact.
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:00 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
Because you can't effect it. You can however probably help your local bum on the other hand. Thinking about things outside your power frustrates to no effect. Do what you can be done and not what can't.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:01 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
Thinking about the big picture is the wrong way to do it. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:01 JST
Griffith
@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain Why is that? -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:02 JST
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@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain That's why I'm saying they don't want to fix it.
We even had better solutions in the past, but those were unwound -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:03 JST
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@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain I don't think that's the homeless people's fault, it's just not where they should be. No one wants homeless people around them for all the reasons anyone can think of, real and imagined. I don't think it's the business of gas station patrons to care for the deep needs of a homeless man, and frankly it's okay if they don't even want to look at him (he's gross and has a wild look in his eyes).
It's just that even people with the genetic wealth of a starfish or luck of an ablatross shouldn't be tossed out of the pan and into the fire. It certainly won't help them. And ask New Yorkers about how happy it makes them.
It's taking people with the least ability or who are at their lowest point in life, and throwing them into literally the hardest life situation imaginable, for an indefinite period. It just shouldn't happen. There should be a stop before they get to that point. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:02:03 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
I mean yeah, bit if it were simple to fix it would be already. -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 06:08:00 JST
Griffith
@Maroon @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain Tbh I can't and am not going to help my local bum in any meaningful way without pushing for systemic change. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 11:07:50 JST
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Helping bums with food or water or clothing is something easy enough to do. Yeah money is fungible but the real addict will half starve before they abstain, so I’d rather support other ways instead. Also my experience seeing people panhandling then driving off in a c class has made me never want to help people with cash on the side if the road -
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Griffith (griffith@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 11:36:20 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Maroon @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain I guess anyone will beg these days lol. There are real solutions, the people in power just don't care to pursue them at the moment. That's why we've got to win. -
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Maroon (maroon@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 27-May-2026 11:36:20 JST
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@Griffith @BowsacNoodle @ColdOnesLite @egirlyuumimain
Professional beggers are nothing new, in fact many social programs (specifically for the disabled) have made it relerivly worse by taking the legitimately unable to work off the streets. A funny thing that.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this.
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