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   jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 17:11:17 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

   RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/116604745957981805

   "links will become an afterthought" is not even coded language for "the rest of the internet is merely training data and we will own the entire means of accessing information online"

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     jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 17:11:15 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

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     There IS NO LLM USE not associated with the project to seize all information as a product. That is the WHOLE gamble being made that is driving all those billions into getting as many people dependent as possible on the most preposterously expensive and inefficient model of computing ever devised. It is only worth it if the upside is owning the whole economy.

     Every step you take towards building LLMs into your daily habits and work ratchets the spring tighter on the mousetrap until, surprise! It clamps shut while your whole ass is wrapped around the cheese. Don't make me laugh with local models nonsense, if you think that those don't get deprecated the moment they pose the slightest whiff of a threat to the profit model - meta isn't releasing weights to be nice, its to capture labor and control the tooling space. Don't be a sucker.

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     jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 17:11:16 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

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     Who gives a single shit how good the "AI" can code when the purpose of "AI" is and always has been enclosure of all information in an ad-driven surveillance platform. If you love LLMs, this is the future you, yes you, are actively helping create.

     Aral Balkan and Rich Felker repeated this.
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     jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 17:11:17 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

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     as Dr. Bender says upthread, the Rethinking Search paper just says this explicitly, also AMP, etc. I only mildly edited their figure here

     The shift to "search journeys" is just another way of referring to "whole life immersive surveillance" where the intention is to slowly train you to expect more and more of your personal information to be visibly injected into search results as a surface for "personalization" and eventually move towards "zero-query search" where advertisements-i-mean-helpful-information are proactively volunteered to you.

     this language appears in full form as early as 2018 and was chilling even then:

     The zero-query search paradigm can be expressed with the slogan “the query is the user.” In practice, the context of the user is used to infer information needs. (Entity Oriented Search)

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     jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 17:11:37 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

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     Don't reach for the easy dismissals - sure there are other tools in the category that aren't chatbots, there are assistive applications that are genuinely miraculous, and the rest. But the purpose of these technologies and their reality as products and mountains of capital doesn't have a nuanced "both sides" placation at the bottom of a thinkpiece: they are designed and built to own informational reality.

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     (roll m3tti) (m3tti@functional.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 22:08:18 JST (roll m3tti)

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     @jonny i've lost a lot of faith in humanity due to this and also all the other incidents that happend like edward snowden, epstin, cumex and all other stuff i don't want to get into detail. But this showed me the public is not interessted in what happens to them and who controlls their lifes and yet i have no clue how to tackle this problem besides better education. But this is also rigged :/. Cyberpunk here we come

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 22:08:18 JST Rich Felker

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     @m3tti @jonny Organizing to deliver concrete harm to the people doing this beyond any level they can ignore.

     Education doesn't scale. There are billions of people to educate but <100 monsters behind this all.

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     Blåhaj (blahajj@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 22:10:38 JST Blåhaj

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     @jonny I know the average person doesn't care that much, but for those of us that do, I feel like the boosters are severely underestimating the extent to which "were you a 'get on board or get left behind' guy in 2023-2027" is going to be a moral litmus test for decades to come

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     jonny (nonvenomous) (jonny@neuromatch.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 22:38:16 JST jonny (nonvenomous)

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     • Christophe

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     Except that its entire design, technological lineage, and deployment is inextricably bound to its nature as a product developed for this purpose. As far as you can reach in the tech stack and prior art that leads to LLMs you will find information companies whose business model is informational enclosure dumping oceans of money into research on how to better enclose information.

     Not every tool is a hammer, there are in fact tools to which analogies that apply to one category of tool do not apply. It's not some magical bush out there in the woods that we would have inevitably come across. It's not a byproduct of physical law. It was made for profit and control. You can imagine any number of different directions that information automation could have gone if not designed as a product given this particular web platform landscape (that was itself designed and built, rather than natural). I don't know, spend even one billion dollars on a p2p information system where people can better co-curate information and social spaces so it can be found, conversationally, on demand, through the magic of other people. Spend even one billion dollars on foundational coding tools and frameworks that avoid the need for generating boilerplate altogether. The idea that technologies are morally neutral and it is only their use gives them moral valence is only coherent if ignoring their history, and maybe more importantly, the many alternate futures their existence foreclosed.

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     Christophe (chisop@todon.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 20-May-2026 22:38:17 JST Christophe

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     @jonny i rather see the same problem used and used over again which is called capitalisme.
     any invention is at the end used for economic gain, capitalisme and power.
     AI is not the problem, what "we" do with it, mostly for own profit and control is the problem.

     Rich Felker repeated this.