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   Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ (brettm@swarm.coiloptic.org)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:10:40 JST Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ
   " PaleMoon isn't a friendly or safe place. Tobin has left the project, but PaleMoon remains hos­tile to FOSS devel­op­ers who try to use the PaleMoon code. Even though the code is FOSS.
   
   AlbusLuna offers the FOSS com­mun­i­ty a PaleMoon de­ri­va­tive that can be mod­i­fied with fewer issues. In short, AlbusLuna is a pre-Quantum Classic Firefox fork that you can tweak large­ly as you wish"
   
   https://albusluna.com/
   
   
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:20:13 JST iced depresso

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     @phnt @brettm
     > just packaging it is a trademark violation
     technically true. mozilla just isn't litigious about it. debian "iceweasels" it because they demand universal permissive licensing and mozilla was only willing to give debian itself a blank cheque.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:20:15 JST Phantasm

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     @icedquinn @brettm Palememe in the past threatened to sue packagers making palememe packages (just packaging it under the same name is a trademark violation to them).

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:20:17 JST iced depresso

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     @brettm i don't understand the argument. foss licensing doesn't require you to be helpful to forks, it just means forks have to be legally permitted
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:40:07 JST iced depresso

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     @brettm well thats patently insane
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     Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ (brettm@swarm.coiloptic.org)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:40:08 JST Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ

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     "Not friendly or safe":
     
     PaleMoon developer threatened to "hunt down and kill" AlbusLuna developer; other PaleMoon developer threatened legal action against OpenBSD user for working on port of PaleMoon.
     
     
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:40:50 JST iced depresso

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     @phnt @brettm i just use upstream firefox. i don't see the point of using a dependent.
     
     stuff like zen browser might be neat but its ultimately just a ux shell
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:40:51 JST Phantasm

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     @icedquinn @brettm

     they're just being tedious.

     Malicious is a better word. Malicious by a technicality. Nobody else does this but them.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 02-May-2026 18:40:53 JST iced depresso

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     @phnt @brettm the purpose of a trade/service mark is basically ownership over a certification of production. if someone else is producing the good on your design you aren't required to certify it.
     
     patents are ownership of the design itself. you might be licensed to produce it (if the design is patented) but not wear the service mark.
     
     so they're not wrong, they're just being tedious.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 03-May-2026 07:37:35 JST iced depresso

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     @s8n @phnt @brettm programmer socks, furries and gopniks write all the hard programs. like emulators and shit.
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     THOT POLICE (s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Sunday, 03-May-2026 07:37:36 JST THOT POLICE

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     @icedquinn @phnt @brettm I'm ok with threatening to hunt down and kill a project contributor under certain circumstances. Like if the contributor was an annoying transexual, for example
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 03-May-2026 07:37:38 JST iced depresso

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     @brettm @phnt being tedious was in reply to them having the right to invoke trademark even though almost nobody actually does for just repackaging apps. i replied to the other thing already
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     Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ (brettm@swarm.coiloptic.org)'s status on Sunday, 03-May-2026 07:37:39 JST Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ

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     CC: @icedquinn@blob.cat @phnt@fluffytail.org
     
     Personally I would not call threatening to hunt someone down and kill them "being tedious" lol
     
     In the case of the openbsd port, there was no trademark violation as it was just a repo where someone was trying to get it to build on openbsd, it had not even been put in the official openbsd ports tree, much less linked to the build. So they were wrong (no trademark had ben violated). As I recall it, the first contact with someone from PaleMoon was them appearing out of nowhere with hostility not tediousness. So much hostility that the person working on it basically said "there are plenty of firefox forks out there after your behaviour I'm not gonna bother working on this one anymore"
     
     If all they cared about was trademark, then a reasonable first message would be "hey I'm ____ palemoon maintainer, if you end up publishing this don't use our branding which is trademarked, call it something else"