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   :bun: Stellar (not lewd) (stellar@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:17:28 JST :bun: Stellar (not lewd)

   I DONT WANT YOUR FUCKING PROJECT INSIDE A FUCKING docker compose I WANT TO FUCKING GIT CLONE AND RUN IT. FUCK YOU.
   
   turns out you can just read the docker compose yaml file and do it yourself, oh i install redis and add some environment variables was that so hard

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     :bun: Stellar (not lewd) (stellar@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:24:04 JST :bun: Stellar (not lewd)

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     redis and gunicorn and ASGI and Celery? this could have been a symphony project.

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     :bun: Stellar (not lewd) (stellar@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:24:30 JST :bun: Stellar (not lewd)

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     hold on what the fuck is this

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:26:30 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be also there's very little performance overhead since a container isn't a VM but just an isolated process
     
     it uses more storage but that's not a big issue

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:26:31 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be the reason devs like docker is that it makes it orders of magnitude easier for the dev to support every single linux distro and library combo (which users insist on), and you don't have to spend hours and hours of your completely unpaid time to find out why the specific build of glibc on debian 7.2 breaks your app or something
     
     this is a really common scenario, it's why docker and containers in general exist at all

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:29:28 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be it is gross but to be fair most software assumes you're running it on a shared host, things like lxc aren't used by that many people
     
     i can tell you i stopped supporting "build from source" on my biggest 2-year project and now only offer nix and docker builds because it became such a burden to support from-source builds that it was better to just drop it

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     :bun: Stellar (not lewd) (stellar@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:29:30 JST :bun: Stellar (not lewd)

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     @jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com yeah but a container inside a lxc inside a proxmox is fucking gross

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:33:42 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be that's literally untrue though, docker doesn't eat any resources, it's not a VM
     
     processes spawned via docker use exactly the same amount of memory than non-docker things because containers are just standard processes with strict isolation rules

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     :bun: Stellar (not lewd) (stellar@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 19:33:46 JST :bun: Stellar (not lewd)

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     @jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com i think docker is a huge bloated slow mess that eats too much ressources

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 20:43:35 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be here i'll cite a research paper from IBM
     
     https://web.archive.org/web/20180721215315/https://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/0929052195DD819C85257D2300681E7B/$File/rc25482.pdf
     
     tldr identical performance to native in every way except networking, which is a bit slower (almost the same as a VM through KVM)

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     kimapr (kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net)'s status on Friday, 03-Apr-2026 22:43:47 JST kimapr

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     @jessew @Stellar Fun fact: if you forward a docker container port to localhost and then access that port it’ll route all connections through a userspace proxy written in Go. This proxy that just blindly forwards raw data is less efficient than fucking Forgejo.

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