RE: https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/116286099611905851
Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
RE: https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/116286099611905851
Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
@dalias shocking, the guy who sold out NPM is on board the slop train
More context:
@dalias that escalated very quickly.
@lawyersgunsnmoney AFAICT he made a bot you hand your social media credentials over to and it logs in to all your accounts, scrapes everything, and passes it to an LLM service to "summarize" (and keep for training). Utter clownery. Normally I would just block, but I'm screenshotting and sharing this because it's a privacy threat to everyone.
@dalias WTF?
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney he them goes and insults everyone here who values privacy even the slightest to top it all off.
Then criticized the Fediverse and pointing reason why he left.
Just typical harassment/abuser "You are the problem, not me! It's all your fault."
@faraiwe It's a web-based app at zeitgeist.blue. You're supposed to give the site access to your social media and slop-vendor accounts. 🤡
@dalias what app is that??
@dalias I guess by work he means "make me money from others creativity"
@dexternemrod You can still report, just not forward the report to him. Then your admins can act on it and block the instance for everyone.
@dalias
@dalias
Because of this insult:
https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/116286295716964968 I wanted to report the account. Turns out, the person is the admin of the server. So I blocked alpaca.gold for my account.
@dexternemrod A lot of folks don't understand how reporting works on fedi. When you report a post/account, you're reporting it to the moderation staff for *your own instance*, regardless of where the account you're reporting lives. Your mods can then block the account from appearing to anyone on your instance, limit it so it only shows up to ppl looking for it (kinda like a shadowban), or just keep track of the report for making future moderation decisions about the user or the instance they came from.
You can also choose to forward the report (anonymized to protect you from retaliation if the remote admins are aligned with the abuse, but even then they can sometimes guess) to the reported account's instance and/or the instances of anyone else included in the post's @'s. This might get them banned from their own instance if the instance owner doesn't approve of what they're doing, and it might help other instances block them if their instance doesn't act.
@dalias
That's new to me. Thank you!
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154
@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.
However you're missing the point and parroting the techbros' "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit.
@dalias@hachyderm.io that sounds like "blocking" here means not appearing on someone else's feed
The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anything
@natty Sorry maybe I misread what you were saying about "blocking won't do anything".
@dalias@hachyderm.io I said what now?
@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
@JensJot Yep. But the tool itself might get scrapped if he finds himself unable to use it or just gets driven off fedi by being blocked by everyone.
@dalias He said in a comment in that thread that people would have to block every user of the tool he created, not just him personally. Blocking him may be justified, but it’s not sufficient to prevent toots from being scraped (?) by that tool.
@dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now
This person announced they left Mastodon because it doesn't work for them, and then "I'm back! And I'm scraping your shit for AI!"
@adingbatponder This person (seldo) made a web-based social media client that logs into your Mastodon/Bsky/etc. accounts, grabs everything in your feed, and sends it off to an "AI" service for them to turn into a "summary" so you can "catch up on what people are posting" without actually reading it.
When challenged about lack of consent to have our writing turned over to "AI" companies for them to process and keep and incorporate into their models, his response was very hostile and suggested blocking him so he can't see our posts. That only solves the problem for his use of his client, not the problem of other people potentially using it.
@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
@davidr robots.txt would make no difference. He's not scraping your posts from your instance. He's scraping the ones that federated to his/his-user's instance via the feed there.
@WishGate Yeah exactly. The point of calling this out with screenshots of someone who doesn't want to be called out (and who blocked me) is that this is an egregious threat of invading folks' privacy with no practical way to block it.
@dalias
The issue is that you would have to block every single account using their app, if you want to keep control over this, which doesn't sound scalable.
I'm not sure how an efficient protection against that would look like, though.
@zer0unplanned Your instance has probably already blocked it. If you follow the link to his server it's all there.
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