Rich Felker
Saw some discourse about "quitting LLMs for climate" and.. uhg. Can we please drop the "personal responsibility" bs? Your choice, as an individual, to use or not use this shit has no effect on the climate.
Where your individual use of LLMs *does* have harm is rotting your brain, destroying your credibility, exposing you and your contacts' private conversations and photos to parties who wish us harm, etm etm etm.
Rich Felker
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116238866646601349
@khaleer Perhaps this makes it more clear:
Khaleer
@dalias nah, I never used it because of climate care and not gonna pretend it have no effect.
Better hurry up bc your point is a fast moving object, and is moving away.
Rich Felker
@burningTyger That's not related because ordinary ppl don't have private jets.
The gallant knight
@dalias Yea, same with my private jet. Why should I not use it if all my friends still use it. Fuck the climate.
Rich Felker
@burningTyger What does that have to do with anything?
The gallant knight
@dalias People in Nigeria don't have a computer either. At least the people I know and who work in higher education.
Rich Felker
@burningTyger @outfrost Your actions in systemic things can make a difference when they're part of an organized concerted effort to produce change and take into account the power systems involved.
When they don't make a difference is when you just think "well I'm not doing that, so I've done my part and the other people who are doing the thing are the problem" rather than identifying the power relationships that lead to the thing being done at population-scale.
Outfrost
@burningTyger I believe cars, at the scale they're produced, owned and used today, are bad.
I also own and drive a car (while living in a densely populated European city).
It's the system that's broken, not the decisions individuals make in order to make their lives easier within said system. A few people choosing to not own a car doesn't fix the climate, health, safety, or community impact of cars in general.
I believe this is roughly what @dalias is saying wrt llms.
The gallant knight
@outfrost @dalias I know and it frustrates me because I do think my actions have impact. Who's going to start making a difference. While I personally have some disagreements with Greta Thunberg's activities she started something small with global impact. Who know who is next? Might be me, might be you. It's an ethical decision for me. I try not to judge other people for their decisions but I want to make it better for everybody so I try to do as much as I can on my own.
The gallant knight
@dalias Things that "ordinary people" have or have not. Things like private jets or computers. Every choice is embedded into your socioeconomical context and should be considered meaningful.
Rich Felker
@burningTyger In "ordinary people have" the point is not whether everyone has it. The entire point is that it doesn't matter if one person, or even a large class of people, doesn't, because the harm comes from the gigantic scale, outside the control of anyone who doesn't, of people who do. And that is not a result of their aggregate individual choices (which individually possess "free will" but at scale are clearly modeled by predictable rules) but of the pressures imposed, by entities in possession of power, on populations.
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