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   Jon Henshaw (jon@henshaw.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:45:27 JST Jon Henshaw

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   @freakazoid I think servers blocking other servers (aka defederation) will continue to be the method to handle something like this. The entire point of this is to have choice, regardless of ideology and preference. I want the choice and option to follow Tumblr accounts, and if they start publishing ads in people’s feeds, then I can unfollow them. And if Tumblr as a whole becomes offensive or annoying, or finds an exploit that puts ads into my feed, I’ll block them.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:45:28 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @jon I guess I skipped a step - the question is whether the Fediverse is ever going to involve some kind of constitution/compact where we actually agree that certain behaviors are unacceptable and will result in defederation.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:45:29 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @jon I think we just need to make it clear that if they do that we will defederate from them and they will have wasted their time adding AP support.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:45:29 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @jon At some point we need to decide if the Fediverse is just "everything that supports ActivityPub" or something more. If it's not more, then it's just a protocol and there is no Fediverse any more than there's an emailverse.

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     Jon Henshaw (jon@henshaw.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:45:31 JST Jon Henshaw

     I realize people are concerned about corporations becoming interested in federated social and how they might ruin a good thing, but I think Tumblr adding ActivityPub support is probably a good thing. However, I am not thrilled about the prospect of platforms like Tumblr inserting ads into feeds, which I see as highly probable.

     https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/21/tumblr-to-add-support-for-activitypub-the-social-protocol-powering-mastodon-and-other-apps/

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 09:04:37 JST admin

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     But if a collective of Mastodon Admins decided that the Fediverse doesn’t include #Tumblr, what would be the path forward?

     You won’t ever get all Admins to defederate from Tumblr and Tumblr has 472 million registered users so they still have more users than the entire Fediverse currently has.

     As an Admin or a smaller instance, I would certainly side with Tumblr over whatever the sad number of users this collective managed to pull together.

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     technical debt jubilee (protean@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:30:55 JST technical debt jubilee

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     @jon @freakazoid I've been thinking that it would be nice to have a federation agreements

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:31:52 JST admin

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     Great idea, & federation factions organized around a set of shared policies.

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:32:16 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @jon Indeed, but to work against more powerful instances (like Tumblr or mastodon.social) will require concerted action, not a bunch of independent decisions to defederate.

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:32:55 JST admin

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     That would be an incredible challenge working against the biggest servers.

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     Jon Henshaw (jon@henshaw.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:43:17 JST Jon Henshaw

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     @TracyRussellBlack I think you can just not follow any Tumblr accounts and you’re good. And I doubt people who do follow Tumblr accounts will boost ads. So it’s probably not a big issue if they do.

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     Just Russ (tracyrussellblack@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:43:18 JST Just Russ

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     @jon Wouldn't people that don't want to see ads just migrate to servers that block monetized instances?

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     Charles U. Farley (freakazoid@retro.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 11:59:11 JST Charles U. Farley

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     @admin @jon Then we'll just lose and it'll all be irrelevant

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     Carlos Solís (csolisr@social.azkware.net)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 12:17:12 JST Carlos Solís

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     @jon
     On the other hand, there are talks of making Tumblr open-source and self-hostable, so there will be a way to dodge the ads bullet