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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:25 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   • Cathy Gellis
   they're indeed not part of the fediverse protocols, and in different servers and apps, they display differently, if they appear at all
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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:28 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
     • Neil Brown
     • Tiffany Li

     @mmasnick @neil @tiffanycli CWs never existed, and certainly not like this.

     What Twitter always needed was better user control over their own reading experience. This norm cuts the other way. It's regressive.

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:29 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     • Cathy Gellis

     @cathygellis @neil @tiffanycli historically that has never been true. I see no reason why it should start now.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:30 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
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     @mmasnick @neil @tiffanycli That's the part I disagree with - I don't think people can use them in different ways. It's all or nothing, with a practice that entirely favors those who want them at the expense of those who don't.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:31 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
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     @neil @tiffanycli @mmasnick They literally are content warnings, and intended to serve as an obstructive barrier to the actual content. I just think if they are used as essentially subject lines they obstruct too many people from too much content.

     Better to design the UI to have subject lines appear in bold so people can quickly scroll past items they aren't interested in without creating an actual obstruction for everyone.

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:31 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     • Neil Brown
     • Tiffany Li
     • Cathy Gellis

     @cathygellis @neil @tiffanycli it's adaptive and different people use it in different ways.

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     Neil Brown (neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:32 JST Neil Brown

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     • Cathy Gellis

     @cathygellis @tiffanycli @mmasnick

     > I'd value them for spoilers and explicit content

     I think therein lies the problem: keeping everyone happy.

     I'm not worried about spoilers, nor explicit (written) content (and pictoral porn is better tagged as "sensitive media", so it gets blurred).

     So I just try to use them where I think people who follow me would welcome it.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:33 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
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     • Tiffany Li

     @neil @tiffanycli @mmasnick Because then I get to enjoy no value from them at all.

     I'd value them for spoilers and explicit content. But I don't get to if I have to expand everything automatically just to be able to consume anything close to the amount of content I desire.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:36 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
     • Neil Brown
     • Tiffany Li

     @neil @tiffanycli @mmasnick Can't you just use a filter? Because the CWs obstruct my consumption of the content, and I might want it.

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     Neil Brown (neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:36 JST Neil Brown

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     @cathygellis @tiffanycli @mmasnick

     > Can't you just use a filter?

     Honestly, I don't know. I haven't looked at filtering on here.

     > the CWs obstruct my consumption of the content,

     Why, if you set your client to ignore / expand them all?

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     Neil Brown (neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:37 JST Neil Brown

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     @tiffanycli @cathygellis @mmasnick

     From the perspective of someone in the UK, who follows a lot of people in the USA, it was quite refreshing to see lots of CWs for discussion of the recent US elections(?) or whatever it was, as it made it much easier to skip over that content.

     CWs as headlines / titles make a lot of sense to me.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:39 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Mike Masnick ✅
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     @mmasnick @neil @tiffanycli I don't want to render all CWs useless. They are good for spoilers or particularly upsetting content, just I don't think for anything else remotely consistent with the output I followed the person for.

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     Tiffany Li (tiffanycli@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:39 JST Tiffany Li

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     @cathygellis @mmasnick @neil It did feel weird to CW politics when so much of what I post is related to tech policy, which is inherently political ??♀️

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:40 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     • Neil Brown
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     • Cathy Gellis

     @cathygellis @neil @tiffanycli i set my preferences to expand all, and I've personally found that useful. I understand why some would not want to though.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:41 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Neil Brown
     • Tiffany Li

     @neil @tiffanycli As a reader, I do feel deterred. I follow tons of people and rarely have the time to expand. For your stuff, I might be inclined more so than others, but it's really not often possible.

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     Cathy Gellis (cathygellis@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:42 JST Cathy Gellis

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     • Neil Brown
     • Tiffany Li

     @neil @tiffanycli By what metric?

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     Neil Brown (neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:42 JST Neil Brown

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     • Tiffany Li
     • Cathy Gellis

     @cathygellis @tiffanycli I haven't posted the same thing with and without CWs, so it is just my gut reaction. But posts with CWs don't, as a rule, seem to get noticeably less interaction overall.

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     Neil Brown (neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:44 JST Neil Brown

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     • Tiffany Li

     @tiffanycli

     I've little experience posting about politics, but I add a content wrapper to a reasonable range of stuff - often as a headline as much as a warning - and I've noticed no discernable difference in engagement either.

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     Tiffany Li (tiffanycli@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 08:10:45 JST Tiffany Li

     Tried posting with a #ContentWarning filter on a political post for the first time. So far it doesn’t seem to have resulted in decreasing reach and engagement too much?

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