Rich Felker
RE: https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271
The blatent use of "AI" to strip copyleft and claim that obvious derivatives are "reimplementations" has begun. This must be fought. Start filing license violation bug reports and abuse reports on projects like this.
Rich Felker
@revk No, it doesn't. That's what they're trying to claim and warp the recent court case to say (a case that wasn't even about LLM output) and it's obvious nonsense.
RevK :verified_r:
@dalias but doing so surely losses all copyright so licence does not matter?
Rich Felker
@revk Copyright is complex because there are potentially multiple copyright holders when derivative works are involved, and all of their permissions are needed. The court case found that purely machine-produced novelty (which wasn't even LLM and didn't involve derivative works) does not get copyright protection awarded to it. But that has nothing to do with the existing copyrights on any works the output was derived from.
maxine 🇵🇸
@dalias it’s like the arguments for why treating LLM code and its proponents as actively malicious are all coming from the LLM camps actions! Really hard to claim this was done with anything but active hate of free software as the motivator, since there’s no valid reason to want MIT over LGPL…
Rich Felker
@maxine There are valid reasons to want MIT over LGPL, but there are not valid reasons to try to forcibly relicense other people's contributions in a way that gives you more power without their consent.
maxine 🇵🇸
@dalias I’m broadly anti anti-viral licensing and pro-corporate licensing, which is largely how I see the MIT/BSD style licensing side of things, personally, but I think that comes from a great disappointment at free software not actively styling itself as a pro-labour movement reclaiming tools from capital.
Rich Felker
@gooba42 And that's ignoring all the fun of what interpretations other jurisdictions might have. Jurisdictions in which things are using that module and now have to block the new version that has no clear entitlement for them to use it. 🤡
Urzl
@dalias If LLM output can't be copyrighted as SCOTUS seems to have decided, then it also can't be MIT licensed. You can't license what you don't own and you can't own LLM output, it's public domain.
Thommy
@dalias imagine if someone working for a company did this but to proprietary code. My worry from the jump has been that it becomes a murky area where we have expansive definition of fair use for me (big corp.), narrow definition for thee (oss dev).
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