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    Matt "msw" Wilson (msw@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:11 JST Matt "msw" Wilson Matt "msw" Wilson

    Normalize the use of #AGPLv3 for its original purpose: to help protect the freedoms of the end-users of networked services like #Mastodon, not to help build a proprietary software business model (in which alternative commercial licenses are sold because the obligations of AGPLv3 are "scary").

    (Personal opinion).

    In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:11 JST from mstdn.social permalink
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      silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:38:59 JST silverwizard silverwizard
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      • Pierre Bourdon
      @delroth @msw Just imagine a judge asking the question: "you programmed it to do it and then programmed it not to? How is that compliance?"
      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:38:59 JST permalink
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      Pierre Bourdon (delroth@mastodon.delroth.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:08 JST Pierre Bourdon Pierre Bourdon
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      @msw it's not a loophole. AGPLv3 is basically just GPLv3 + clause 13, which is "if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely through a computer network an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version"

      You have to make your fork advertise its source code. But there is nothing that prevents you from running that fork behind an HTTP proxy which then strips this offer.

      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:08 JST permalink
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      Matt "msw" Wilson (msw@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:09 JST Matt "msw" Wilson Matt "msw" Wilson
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      • Pierre Bourdon

      @delroth I don't follow this "loophole" at all. Is there some more detailed writeup that explains in more detail?

      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:09 JST permalink
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      Pierre Bourdon (delroth@mastodon.delroth.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:10 JST Pierre Bourdon Pierre Bourdon
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      @msw AGPLv3 doesn't really do that though -- the license is so badly written that you can entirely comply with it by adding a (real) source code link in your fork, but then running that fork behind a proxy which strips the link. Perfectly legal per the license.

      (This all comes from the fact that AGPL tries to enforce usage restrictions, which are against Free Software principles, via weird copyright hacks that don't really work.)

      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 09:39:10 JST permalink
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      silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 10:29:11 JST silverwizard silverwizard
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      • Pierre Bourdon
      @delroth @msw xkcd.com/1494/
      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 10:29:11 JST permalink

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      Pierre Bourdon (delroth@mastodon.delroth.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 10:29:13 JST Pierre Bourdon Pierre Bourdon
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      @silverwizard @msw two different works (the copyright license of one has no influence on the other) and AGPLv3 specifically forbids derivatives to introduce restrictions on usage (clause 2, inherited from GPLv3 and from the core tenants of Free Software).

      In conversation Monday, 21-Nov-2022 10:29:13 JST permalink

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