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   BroDrillard (brodrillard@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:26 JST BroDrillard
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     • Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
     Why does everyone forget Franco? That really is a better model / analogy for our situation in the states. He managed to retain power until his death in the mid 1970s.
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     BroDrillard (brodrillard@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:23 JST BroDrillard

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     It took 3 empires 6 years to beat a nation the size of Texas.
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     Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag: (bunsen@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:23 JST Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:

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     @BroDrillard @EvolLove @magicalthinking And if the U.S. had not gotten involved, things would have turned out very differently.
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     🌈Magical Thinking (magicalthinking@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:24 JST 🌈Magical Thinking

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     My history isn't good, but the Germans lost, right?

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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:24 JST EvolLove

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     Also this phrase "the Germans lost, right?"

     Is getting old.

     Yes. Germany lost 2 world wars. So what?

     They also fought gallantly with more bravery than any other Nation in known world history.

     They fought to defend their own Nation in not 1 but 2 world wars.

     No one can blame Germany for the first world war. And the same can be said about the 2nd.

     Jew controlled England was the main instigator and conspired with France, Russia, and Polen against Germany.

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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:36:25 JST EvolLove

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     They also legalized pedophilia and child prostitution.

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     • Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
     See fascism isn't a political ideology like communism. Fascism is always a local reformative movement. Unlike communism, which is imported into an area, fascism will generally reflect the culture from which it originates. So German fascism and Spanish fascism were unique in and of themselves.
     
     Thus, for any particular country, there is no exact model. Spain comes closer to the US though because of the political atmosphere and proportional split. Germany was far more splintered politically. Spain was not. It was basically a two party country. This is why Franco rose as a result of civil war.
     
     The types of reforms sought are more akin to what I think the US would want. Reformation of the church, reestablishment of the crown, reestablishment of the rule of law. While at may not want a national church or crown per se, the idea of reforming morals and government in a romantic sense is prominent in the American ideal.
     
     Also Franco was the only fascist to survive. It does reflect a man who was far more politically savvy. Perfect no. No man is. The world is not ideal.
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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:42:16 JST EvolLove

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     @Humpleupagus @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen

     Because Franco was one of the good guys and wasn't defeated?

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:56:19 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
     Spain was a one party state under Franco.
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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:56:20 JST EvolLove

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     @Humpleupagus @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen

     Fascism was still an ideology though. It just wasn't an international idea. But a National ideology. To save and preserve the Nations Culture.

     Thus it was implemented into National Socialism. These concepts, the Nation, the people, Socialism and Fascism are very similar and natural ideas.

     But Germany was untied and Italy too was united. ANd a 2 party system is NOT a united Nation. Just look at the west today.

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     • Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
     I never said it was superior. I said it is a better model for the US and for what is required for long term regime continuity. As I stated, fascism is local, thus, which is "superior" is not a factor in the existential sense. Nonetheless, some movements can be superior models relative to another country. 1930s Spain has far more parallels to 2025 US than 1930s Germany. The reforms eventually sought in Spain are also more akin to what people here desire.
     
     Also, Germans are hyper-rule / law based, as are most anglo cultures. Spaniards are situational / moralistic. The general rejection of hyper-rule based law and the administrative state by the alt-right, and the focus on religion and morals, in the US also tends to suggest Spain is the better model.
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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:22:47 JST EvolLove

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     @Humpleupagus @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen

     That might very well be true but Germany also became a one party state under the NSDAP.

     The foreign Jewish Communist party was banned.

     Franco did not survive because Spanish Fascism was superior to Germany, Japan or Italy.

     Spain was able to remain neutral during the war. Thus Spain only had to fight an internal battle to Unite the Nation. A battle that the NSDAP had already won.

     WW2 was about International stock exchange and banking.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:29:33 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag:
     Germany's technological advancement really arises out of kantian idealism, as does all modern science. The problem is that kantian idealism is, to play fast and loose, anti-realism. This is a double edge sword. Anything can you can imagine (literally) can be measured and studied, including transexuals, dei, effects of "racism", etc.
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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:29:34 JST EvolLove

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     @Humpleupagus @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen

     The unforgivable sin of Germany?
     Churchill's words, was that they didn't let International Capitalists profit on the German market

     Because had Hitler Nationalized Germany's banks and Germany's natural resources

     That way Germany were able to arise from poverty to the most advanced Nation in the world

     This angered the International Jewish Banks and Stock Exchange groups

     Because if one Nation was free and successful it would inspire other.

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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:37:50 JST EvolLove

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     @Humpleupagus @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen

     Okay, now I get UR point. U might be on to something great.

     I got to hang up on minor details and missed the overall message.

     Because National Socialism are also local, National and not Intnernational.

     And the NSDAP was constructed as a means to go back to becoming an Empire, a Kingdom, ruled by a Monarch rather than governments. It was a rejection of the Jewish Democracy.

     Do U have any recommendations for "Francoism" any audio books?

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     I don't off hand. Most of what I know if from my own research and family. I have an uncle who's an expert re the Spanish Civil War.
     
     What I'm really trying to point at though is... what is our ideal? I think I see something rough in the public dialog, but it hasn't fully formed yet.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:50:34 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Kant in a nutshell...
     
     If you can see a thing, it is seeable.
     
     If you can measure a thing is measurable.
     
     If you can imagine a thing, it is imaginable.
     
     So I can imagine "racism" exists and measure it.
     
     I can also measure the number of unicorns in my front yard which is zero. Ergo, unicorns are real in the ideal sense.
     
     Martin Heidegger who was a party member followed this tradition in his phenomenology.
     
     It's powerful, because you can measure what can be imagined. It's an engine for scientific exploration.
     
     But it also means that science can fall off a cliff in a way by just making shit up like in the soft sciences. "Transexual" or "gay" can now be a thing and at can measure the effects "policy and law" has on it.
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     EvolLove (evollove@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:50:35 JST EvolLove

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     I am unable to follow U here.

     But it reminds me of the theory of relativity that is to say the only theory that Einstein didn't plagiarized.

     While all the true geniuses of Europa rejected both Einstein and the relativity theory.

     Transexualism DEI and Racism are Jewish concepts. Can they be studied? Probably one could study them as examples of insanity.

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     Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:52:58 JST Glassjaw

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     @Humpleupagus @EvolLove @BroDrillard @magicalthinking @Bunsen The shitlib can‘t argue as well against Franco.. because they have to deal with the fact that Tolkien supported Franco and they love Lotr.. it was really more of a Catholic nationalist reaction than a supremacist thing.
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     Franco
     
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