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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 08:24:10 JST Eugen Rochko

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   • Vivaldi Browser

   I've finally switched to the @Vivaldi browser. I've been using Firefox for as long as I've been on the internet, but the focus on AI means it's no longer the browser for me. Thankfully unlike Chrome, Vivaldi supports the uBlock Origin extension which is the most important extension for being able to browse the web nowadays.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 08:30:54 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Vivaldi Browser
     • Anthropy

     @anthropy I'm not familiar with Waterfox and the team maintaining it, but I am familiar with the @Vivaldi team and I like their anti-AI stance.

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     Anthropy (anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 08:30:55 JST Anthropy

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     @Gargron i hate to be that guy but, why not something like waterfox? https://mastodon.derg.nz/@anthropy/115734945877820056

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     Kpl Klink (kplklink@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 08:36:49 JST Kpl Klink

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi I’ll look into doing the same this pm.

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     GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺 (eetschrijver@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 08:56:38 JST GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron
     Yep. Going to make the same move. As long as there's one non-enshittified product available, I'll choose that.
     @Vivaldi

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     Open Risk (openrisk@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 09:08:26 JST Open Risk

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi vivaldi also autodiscovers #rss feeds on a page (small detail yet speaks volumes about their value system).

     It will be heartbreaking to part ways with firefox after decades, but alas mozilla does not seem to have a way out of its enshittification predicament. Pacts with the Devil eventually extract their pound of flesh.

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     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 09:56:13 JST infinite love ⴳ

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron but like chrome, it uses the blink engine and reinforces google's monoculture over web standards, which is ultimately far more disastrous for everyone than whatever "ai" means for firefox. i would hope @Vivaldi uses a different web engine or builds their own, if they care about the future of the web.

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     Mike Smale (earwigplanet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 10:42:31 JST Mike Smale

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi Just made that switch myself.

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     Dan V Peterson (danvpeterson@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 10:43:33 JST Dan V Peterson

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     • Zen

     @Gargron Have you tried out @zenbrowser?

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     Ondrej Zizka (ondrejzizka@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 14:59:46 JST Ondrej Zizka

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     @Gargron @Vivaldi What's wrong with #Firefox? I didn't notice any disrupting changes.

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     Jon Koops 🇪🇺 (jonkoops@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 16:56:27 JST Jon Koops 🇪🇺

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi That seems like a step backwards to be very honest. Firefox is a truly open-source project, with its own nuts and bolts under the hood, whereas Vivaldi is just another Chromium fork with a bunch of proprietary bits strapped to it.

     I don't agree with the choices from Mozilla, but if everything is opt-in, local, and respects user privacy, what is the problem? And if it does bother you, why not use something like LibeWolf?

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     Distante (distante@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 17:29:20 JST Distante

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     @Gargron I think the problem is somewhat exaggerated until we see actual negative actions from Mozilla.

     https://mastodon.social/@Distante/115733536907475267

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     Goldmaster (goldmaster@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 19:28:13 JST Goldmaster

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     • Privacy Guides

     Wonder what this means for @privacyguides recommendations on web browsers other than chrome and Firefox

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     D Ingram (ingram@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2025 20:42:48 JST D Ingram

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     @Gargron LibreWolf is a good fork of FireFox and has a strong anti-AI stance. They acknowledge that some might slip through, but let them know and it'll be removed. I run Vivaldi and LibreWolf since there are still sites that work on one but not the other. I'm a big fan of FF/LW containers to separate work, banking etc. Good for parking Google things so most things are done "logged out" but can still use their services when you want.

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     Alex_hudosnik (alex_hudosnik@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 01:16:58 JST Alex_hudosnik

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     @Gargron @Vivaldi Before this news, I used Firefox on my phone as an additional browser for viewing sites, but after this news I immediately deleted it, because if I left, then I would have agreed with their artificial intelligence, but I just need a browser that accesses the Internet, and if I need ai, I’ll just go to the official website, I don’t need it in my browser, put in a calculator, messenger, crypto wallet, and maybe even a whole system like firefox os wow, this is some kind 😳

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 01:49:39 JST Tim Chambers

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     @Gargron @Vivaldi Same!

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     MrGrumpyMonkey (mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 15:48:04 JST MrGrumpyMonkey

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     @Gargron @Vivaldi I'm reading these comments and all I see are a bunch of assholes tossing useless information at the void. Of the Chromium browsers, this is the one I use. There are times where certain aspects of the web have a difficult time with Firefox forks. So I use Vivaldi for those specific purposes. I don't see why there's so much distain for a Chromium browser that does have some closed source software. It works great.

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     Ati (ati1@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:40:24 JST Ati

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     • LibreWolf

     @Gargron @Vivaldi Luckily same can be done with @librewolf open source browser. Right now I would prefer something not based on Chrome and not based on Firefox either but it seems no AI open source Firefox forks like Librewolf are the only choice for me right now.

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     Dizzy (bubblegumyeti@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 18:18:19 JST Dizzy

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     @Gargron @Vivaldi I switched to Waterfox.... seemed like the best option.

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     chad006 (chad006@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 20:37:39 JST chad006

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     @Gargron they said it would be optional.

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     Farhood (feryet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 21:24:07 JST Farhood

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi how long till chromiom chore absolutely gets in the way of the likes of Vivaldi threading around manifest 3?

     Use waterfox or librefox instead. That way you wouldn't contribute to the chromium monopoly that is the fault of all this.

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     CpyJx 🍉 (cappyjax@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 04:04:57 JST CpyJx 🍉

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     @Gargron
     > Firefox being open-source isn't really doing much for me in this situation

     Except it is. Firefox, being completely open source, has enabled a viable fork - #Waterfox - that addresses your primary concern.

     You say you don't have any faith in Firefox forks and just give in to Google and move to a re-skinned Chrome browser? This reads like a paid ad. It's disappointing.

     And privately owned just means it can be sold to the highest bidder whenever it makes financial sense to do so.

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     Nu Modular (numodular@c.im)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 04:04:58 JST Nu Modular

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi Vivaldi is partially proprietary, and based on Chrome, which is susceptible to #TechBros abuse. LibreWolf.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 04:04:58 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Vivaldi Browser
     • Nu Modular

     @numodular @Vivaldi Firefox being open-source isn't really doing much for me in this situation--browsers are uniquely complex and difficult to maintain, to the point I don't have faith any Firefox forks have long term sustainability. I prefer a trustworthy stewardship over code access here. As far as I know, Vivaldi is privately owned and European, which is good enough for me.

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     Denis (nuculabs@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Dec-2025 02:58:26 JST Denis

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     • Vivaldi Browser

     @Gargron @Vivaldi I tried vivaldi but it's laggy on Fedora, I don't know, don't really care about browser animations. I care more about usability and UX.