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   lizzzzard (lizzard@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Sunday, 23-Nov-2025 07:20:47 JST lizzzzard

   • Evan Prodromou
   • Les Orchard

   @lmorchard @evan some dishes are better made at home, some are better made at scale, and some need adaptions to function on either scenario.

   But morality doesn't feature in that, just practicality. Food is life, let's keep copyright out of that.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 23-Nov-2025 07:20:46 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Les Orchard

     @lizzard @lmorchard so, just wondering: why is everyone so hung up on copyright? The question doesn't ask about copyright at all.

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     M. Grégoire (mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 24-Nov-2025 00:57:44 JST M. Grégoire

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Les Orchard

     @evan I think the reason everyone is so hung up on copyright is that most (all?) ethical systems have no objection to copying. So for most people, the reason copying might be unethical is if it would involve breaking the law.

     @lizzard @lmorchard

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 24-Nov-2025 04:59:16 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • M. Grégoire
     • Les Orchard

     @mpjgregoire @lizzard @lmorchard "most (all?) ethical systems have no objection to copying"?!? That's not true at all!

     Copying another artist's style, someone else's jokes, a friend's hairstyle, a classmate's essay, are all considered in poor taste or even unethical.

     In almost any situation where original thinking could be done, copying is considered shoddy and second-rate.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 24-Nov-2025 08:46:47 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • M. Grégoire
     • Les Orchard

     @lizzard @lmorchard

     "the cooking example is completely different from the examples you just gave."

     Agreed. The examples I gave were for @mpjgregoire 's assertion that nobody ever has any problem with copying except for copyright. I strongly disagree.

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     lizzzzard (lizzard@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Monday, 24-Nov-2025 08:46:49 JST lizzzzard

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • M. Grégoire
     • Les Orchard

     @evan my gut reaction: the cooking example is completely different from the examples you just gave.

     All your examples have one thing in common: trying to reap the benefits without putting in the effort. The restaurant situation is only comparable if the copycat is also a restaurant cook.

     But if you're cooking a restaurant recipe at home, no harm is done to the professional cook, and no "unfair" advantage is gained for the home cook.

     And then, knowing the recipe doesn't spare you all the effort: Even if you know the theoretical recipe, a lot of effort will still go into the learning and doing. I have the whole recipe library of a confectioner - but none of the skills, and not her professional kitchen, so I still can't do most of the things in that collection.

     @mpjgregoire @lmorchard

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     M. Grégoire (mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 20:47:35 JST M. Grégoire

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Les Orchard

     @evan @lizzard @lmorchard
     I meant to give a thoughtful reply — including opening a tab to https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8B.HTM — but at this point I think I'll just say that maybe you're right.