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    Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 13:59:58 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash

    One of the top stories on Hacker News today was a post arguing that Mozilla shouldn't accommodate any usage of AI in Firefox because (understandably) people were mad at Big AI companies for all the horrible things they've done to users and the internet and society. But I think people are ignoring the reality that *hundreds of millions of users* are using LLMs today, and they need to have tools from platforms that will look out for their interests. https://www.anildash.com/2025/11/14/wanting-not-to-want-ai/

    In conversation about 7 months ago from me.dm permalink

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      I know you don’t want them to want AI, but… - Anil Dash
      from @anildash
      A blog about making culture. Since 1999.
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      Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 14:02:42 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash
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      By all means, use Firefox and don't use AI. I don't give a damn about that, that's great. But think about this question deeply: What browser do you want your friends and family to use when they're using AI tools? We told people "social media from big companies is bad, get on Mastodon and Bluesky". And that works — provide useful alternatives. But if we simply say "stop using this thing you find useful, and I won't give you any alternatives", they'll just ignore us. And Big AI will win.

      In conversation about 7 months ago permalink
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      Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 14:19:03 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash
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      • FreediverX

      @freediverx "L take" is the last bastion of the person with no argument. What trust, exactly, have you lost? What's the _actual_ harm that you've suffered — not "I don't like the way this was communicated", but an actual harm that you have suffered, and in what way did you engage with taking agency to remedy that harm? What platform do you use now?

      In conversation about 7 months ago permalink
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      FreediverX (freediverx@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 14:19:04 JST FreediverX FreediverX
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      @anildash
      Why does anyone still trust Mozilla?

      In conversation about 7 months ago permalink
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      Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 18:34:06 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash
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      • Jeff Atwood

      @codinghorror I mean, I have sympathy for "Don't do this, and let's figure out what to do instead!" Because sometimes it's hard to solve problems and we have to band together to find alternatives. But "don't do this bad thing, dumbass, be smart like me" sure is guaranteed to fail.

      In conversation about 7 months ago permalink
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      Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 15-Nov-2025 18:34:07 JST Jeff Atwood Jeff Atwood
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      @anildash yes. do not say "don't use this" without providing an alternative.

      In conversation about 7 months ago permalink
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      Pax Ahimsa Gethen (funcrunch@me.dm)'s status on Monday, 17-Nov-2025 03:45:52 JST Pax Ahimsa Gethen Pax Ahimsa Gethen
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      @anildash - As one of the many people who posted in the Mozilla thread, I agree that the "nobody wants AI in Firefox" sentiment expressed by the majority is incorrect. Clearly *someone* wants it. *I* don't want it, and made an account just to say so, along with urging that any AI features be *fully opt-outable*.

      https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/m-p/110210/highlight/true#M42497

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink

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        As with some other commenters here, I've created a profile and am posting here for the first time to say I'm NOT interested in any AI features in Mozilla products. Please make any such features fully opt-outable. Thank you from a long-time user of Firefox and Thunderbird.
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      Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Nov-2025 04:32:00 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash
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      • ewhac

      @ewhac are you unaware that ChatGPT is in the top 10 websites in the United States, from *direct input* — meaning people typing in the website address themselves so that they can use it? That Sora has been at the top of the App Store chart for _weeks_? How did I lose you by talking about a factual thing? Is everyone on Mastodon in a complete bubble where they don't have access to reality, isolated from the actual internet?

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink
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      ewhac (ewhac@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Nov-2025 04:32:01 JST ewhac ewhac
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      @anildash Your argument appears to be, "Well, everyone *else* is jumping off the Empire State Building, so..."

      You basically lost me in paragraph four, with, "Hundreds of millions of users are choosing to go to these websites, of their own volition, and engage with these tools."

      "Choosing?" Really? The same way people "choose" to use Edge, or "choose" to use Bing, or "choose" to use the Mob's protection services?

      What role do you see any browser having in protecting users against LLMs?

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink
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      Pax Ahimsa Gethen (funcrunch@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Nov-2025 04:36:29 JST Pax Ahimsa Gethen Pax Ahimsa Gethen
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      • ewhac

      Hey @anildash - speaking as a RL friend of @ewhac, maybe you shouldn't imitate the tactic of those you're critiquing by speaking of "everyone" on Mastodon when you're replying to individual critics. 🙂

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink
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      Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 14:54:44 JST Anil Dash Anil Dash
      • Rodrigo Ghedin

      @manualdousuario I liked your post, to be clear! I am glad you took it in the spirit I intended. I think there's definitely room for thoughtful disagreement here — this is a tough set of questions for us all to think through.

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink

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