Boris Mann
I have two Ghost sites I operate for which I turned on Fediverse posting.
I have hopes that they might support the Article long form AP type, but until it’s supported by Mastodon it won’t be visible to most. Getting @darius’s Hometown stuff merged would be great.
Would love to see these two pieces of software work together.
From @fediversereport https://connectedplaces.online/reports/fediverse-report-141/
Evan Prodromou
@boris @darius @fediversereport Mastodon supports the `Article` type pretty well; it's kind of like an RSS feed with just the title and first paragraph. I agree, it would be very nice to see the full text in your own server.
Evan Prodromou
@boris @darius @fediversereport long-form text has been one of the important projects we worked on at the Social Web Foundation.
Evan Prodromou
@boris @darius @fediversereport with replies: we have had the `replies` collection in ActivityPub since its development. I'm really glad the Mastodon is going to use it and support it.
Evan Prodromou
@boris @darius @fediversereport question for you, Boris as well as maybe @snarfed.org : is there a lexicon for long-form text in ATProto? And does it bridge across BridgyFed as `Article`?
Boris Mann
@evan @darius @snarfed.org there are several apps with long form lexicons.
They do not bridge as article, there’s an issue for it.
(you asked this previously, nothing changed since then)
Evan Prodromou
@boris @darius @snarfed.org faulty memory I guess! Thanks. I'll try to review the GitHub issues rather than polling you as an information source!
Evan Prodromou
@boris @blaine @snarfed.org we have a long-form text FEP that Threads, Mastodon, Write Freely, WordPress, and Ghost all support. It was developed collaboratively by these teams. `preview` is a compromise for Twitter-like services that don't want to assemble a representation out of the Article properties.
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/b2b8/fep-b2b8.md
blaine
@evan @boris @darius @snarfed.org as a matter of principle, though, they *could* be bridged as article. I have not looked at the source lexicons, but it turns out it's not complicated to convert from one semantic-and-byte ordering of "title", "author", "body", etc to another.
Boris Mann
@blaine @evan @snarfed.org yep, totally doable, and I started looking at the Bridgy code to detect lexicon types and do a transform.
The issue previous to Ghost coming on scene is that there has been little movement in display.
Snarfed has a Sept issue about “bare” Article type with Ghost using summary https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/2091
blaine
@evan @boris @darius @snarfed.org I feel strongly that this question: "is there a lexicon for long-form text in ATProto? And does it bridge across BridgyFed as `Article`?" is analogous to translation for any human work of translation.
Is FEP-b2b8 a subtle piece of AS2 poetry, whose ineffable metadata simply can't be captured in Lexicon? Maybe. Without wanting to minimize the work, my bet is that it's probably more like ISO-8859-1 vs CP1252.
blaine
@evan @boris @darius @snarfed.org maybe it's somewhere in-between, and the translation project is more like translating a scientific textbook from one language to another.
The hard part in any truly decentralized project is going to be that the end-user *experience* of the data is going to differ from one user to another. I've argued in the past that *design and UX* standards are way more important than *encoding* standards, if we want all of this to work for people.
Evan Prodromou
@blaine @boris @darius @snarfed.org I think there has to be a lexicon in order to store the data in ATProto, right? Having three is fine if you're bridging from ATProto to AP; it's good to have a dominant one if you're bridging from AP to ATProto. Although maybe it's possible to represent the same data in different lexicons in ATProto? I don't know the standard well enough to say.
Evan Prodromou
@blaine @boris @darius @snarfed.org this reminds me: are either of you guys coming to Montreal?
Boris Mann
@evan yes I’ll be in Montreal. At the IETF hackathon tomorrow and community activities for a couple of days https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/atproto-community-sessions-in-montreal-for-ietf124/164
Evan Prodromou
@blaine @boris @darius @snarfed.org aww, that's too bad. I was kind of hoping to see AT folks I know here for the BOF.
blaine
@evan @boris @darius @snarfed.org not I! Working hard on getting these 1/2 dozen new lexicons out the door. 😅
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