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   xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 06:40:49 JST xianc78

   And to clarify, "libertarian animal rights" mean that the pet owner can abuse and/or slaughter their own pets because it is their property.

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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 06:40:48 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     under true libertarianism, animal rights are respected and we do not violate the NAP towards them. we have no more right to exploit an animal nonconsensually than we do a human.
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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 06:40:48 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     this poll is also flawed because it involves animal exploitation either way
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 06:44:03 JST georgia

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     @Alex @xianc78 I havent gone back to veganism yet so I'm a hypocrite but this poll is fucking stupid I'm malding
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 08:56:34 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     Animal rights are a self-contradictory concept. Is it against a rat's rights to be eaten by a snake? Is it abuse to eat a hamburger? Or worse? What about the chemical warfare we use on animals to protect our crops and homes?

     I am sorry, but although animal abuse is retarded, it is still a priviledge of being a supperior entity on this planet. So, this poll is offering one choice that is clearly a positive one, and one negative.

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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:11 JST xianc78

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     @Alex Humans can petition for their rights. Animals cannot.

     Murray Rothbard made that distinction in The Ethics of Liberty.

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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:11 JST georgia

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     @xianc78 @Alex sophistic argument coming from a time when children were also seen as nothing more than property
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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:12 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     By the same logic used to justify violating the rights of animals, there's no reason to care about violating the rights of other humans.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:13 JST xianc78

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     @Alex Read "The Secret Life of Plants" and you will realize that plants might be self-aware too, so there is no point in trying to not cause harm to other lifeforms besides your own kind, unless you want to die.

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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:14 JST xianc78

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     @Alex https://mises.org/mises-daily/rights-animals

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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:25:14 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     read nozick
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:26:17 JST xianc78

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     @Alex They can still communicate via mouthing. They can blink their eyes in Morse code or in binary.

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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:26:17 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     An animal can communicate their pain through various nonverbal means as well. Their inability to speak our language doesn't deprive them of their rights any more than someone who's forced to communicate via morse code. I don't know about you, but I don't know morse code - the person in this theoretical certainly couldn't communicate with me.
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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:26:18 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     If you were to cut out a human's vocal chords and break their hands, do they suddenly lose all of their rights because they can no longer petition for them?
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 11:29:02 JST lainy

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     @georgia @Alex @xianc78 the 60s?
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 20:18:01 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     Your point?

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     Non-Avian Archosauriformes (gd5426@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 20:18:03 JST Non-Avian Archosauriformes

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     @LukeAlmighty @xianc78 Ultimately you're still eating animals anyway given it's ultimately impossible to eliminate insect pests from fruits and vegetables, and a decent portion of microbial life in the water/general environment are microscopic invertebrates. Meat consumption is IMO, about as morally neutral as any other source of sustenance provided the animals used as livestock are not tortured or the people involved in the agricultural process exploited.
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 20:20:08 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @Alex @xianc78
     I am so happy to see you too are against abortions.

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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Oct-2025 20:20:09 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     To extend this - your argument is that a human needs to be capable of communicating to have rights. This means that a human who is unable to communicate would logically lack rights. A child who was never taught to speak, or someone stuck in a land where no one speaks their language, or the victim of some horrific accident that deprived them of their ability to speak, would lack rights in such a scenario. If an organization was to breed human slave labor and never teach any of them how to speak or communicate, would any of those people have rights, since they're unable to petition for their rights?