@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul I'm getting questions about stuff but I am a guest in Japan and I refrain from suggesting to any Japanese person how to run their country.
@Nudhul@HoneyBadgerSupreme most japanese don't see themselves that way afaict but they implicitly want to keep their way of life and the most I have said is that immigrants by and large don't care about that at all, they see what they can take from a system.
Poor japs, their way of life is being threatened by the hundreds of thousands of south east asian slaves who are treated like an inferior caste, who work in farms, in elderly care homes, in restaurant kitchens, in construction, etc. and are systemically abused, underpaid, trafficked, having their wages stolen, having nobody with their best interests in mind, being victimized by the companies, the government and the general population simultaneously.
I think if the japs double down on systematically violating all laws and agreements maybe they will be able to protect their way of life.
They need to steal more wages, assault more foreigners, deny services to more foreigners, conspire against all foreign businesses who try expanding to japan even harder, practicing scapegoating and nepotism with three times the effort, stealing and copying western things more.
Only then, the honorable samurai who was living in dirt just a couple decades ago would be able to protect their homeland, so that their chieftains can keep abusing their own kind without stronger chieftains from the west ruining everything for them by being stronger than them and more moral.
@Nudhul@HoneyBadgerSupreme@sun of course they arent, japan doesnt have a "way of life", its literally amoral people who want to fuck prostitutes take drugs and buy iphones.
Zero honor, zero morality, pure animalistic greed, scapegoating, etc.
Today blacks are monkeys, tomorrow whites are colonizers, the next day japan never even participated in any war, and the next day japan actually invented science itself.
Monke want neuron activation, pure and simple.
And those who are western but comfortable in japan, either naive or loving their neuron activations that they cant get in the west.
@sun@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul man I dont dislike you so this is not trying to hate, but you are leveraging economic, genetic, cultural, military, etc. wealth from the US to Japan, and you are having a wife for the first time in your life, and you are fulfilling the sexual fetish that you spent the last few years developing.
It's a good move from a game theory perspective, but let's call it what it is, you are not the first person to do this, millions of people have done this speaking generally, and tens of thousands of people have done exactly the move that you are doing.
It is what it is, but I don't think you have any idea what japan is.
It's a very old proverb that says better to be the head of a dog than the tail of a lion.
You are a nerdy autistic guy who loves computers, if you were born in japan your life would be hellish, it's cool that you played some moves to end up in a bubble that is favorable to you, but don't fall for thinking that you understand how the country you are in works.
I know the area you are in and you can just go to the fields and see the jungle asians that have been imported with lies of prosperity and are now something akin to indentured servants. And the natives aren't much better off, except for a very small percentage.
And when your japanese improves (if it ever does) then you can understand the things people are actually saying and just how bad things really are.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul I don't think you're 100% right, like most foreigners image of japan is "tokyo" and there's none of that out here and I don't have a fetish.
@sun@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul well I know I had a fetish before I moved to japan and I made a bot that posted hot japanese women on SPC once an hour and you liked every other picture
I once had a room full of students back in 2016 going on about how bad "Brexit" was.
As a counterpoint I asked the room of 100% Japanese to visualise Japan as part of a pan-Asian economic alliance.
Furrowed brows.
This would allow workers from all iver Asia (China, Korea, Vietnam, etc etc) to come and work wherever in Japan.
Uncomfortable shuffling.
They yen would be replaced by the Asian Dollar used across all member states of the pan-Asian economic alliance.
NOPED THE FUCK OUT.
And newly aligned countries could join and their workers could come and do jobs and send money back to places like Thailand, Cambodia, North Korea etc etc.
Literally a room full of outrage.
This was 2016.
2024 I had teenagers (internationally educated Japanese kids) telling me the death penalty was preferable over life sentences as it cost the tax payer less. An argument shared by victims of sexual assault etc (he raped me as a child and now I've grown up, my taxes are paying to keep him fed and "safe" what the fuck...).
Otherwise you are a leftist living in a gated community saying how much you care about illegal immigrant workers who are picking your tomatoes while getting their wages stolen.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun it's annoying when leftists do pretend that they are doing good, I'd prefer if they said "yeah, we basically have them as slaves, so what? what they are gonna do, return to their shitholes? hahahah" It's cool to flex your power, do so, don't pretend to be a fag
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun I do not think their wages are stolen though, I think they are being paid what the owners think they deserve: they are not owed more, they are not appreciated there, they are being given the privilege in living in another, better, land.
@mischievoustomato@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun thats not how the law works, nobody cares what the owners "think the workers deserve". White people live in societies ruled by laws. If you dont like the law there is channels to change it.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun they could have their cake and eat it too by saying that thing: "they get the privilege of living in a better place, so" or something like that.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun i dont think many of those sign any contract, though. And it's "living in a better place" if you consider the context of their shitholes of origin. If they don't like that they could just not move.
@mischievoustomato@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun its not living in a better place if the laws dont apply to you and you can be taken advantage of in a million ways. Also they didnt sign a contract saying "I will be exploited in exchange for me stepping on this countrie's land"
They signed a verbal or inferred contract that says "you will work and be treated with respect and be paid this amount and you will be able to build a better life for yourself", none of that is fulfilled.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun > It is not up to me or you to decide if the are better off being exploited in a white country versus being poor in their country of origin or whatever.
i'm from a shithole country that has had a number of people go to nicer countries to live in so I can say a thing or two. This place is *not* good and only getting worse.
What I'm trying to get across is that if the people want to put so in their laws, they can put stuff that simply says "imported laborers will be barely treated as human, and certainly not as citizens" and that's then law.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun and as an extra: unless the people that lived in the nicer countries learned why they are nicer and brought that knowledge into their places of origin if they return or are expulsed, then that's good. If not, I'd much rather have them go missing mid travel.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun and another thing why I don't really have a nice view of immigrant labor these days (Even if I, as a hypocrite, want to move to a nicer place to live in, surrendering my citizenship of my original country in the process), is because this place got a lot of vuvuzelans that should've been left to die of starvation after their country became shit
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun > How would you feel if my brother tells you "come into the house, its fine, you can just go in through the back door and go get stuff from the fridge" and then I appear with a shotgun and act like you are subhuman scum for being in my house?
I wouldn't accept since that's clearly a shady dealing, given it's not the guy's house but yours. Gets more complex with a country, but ultimately, might makes right. You can't fight that. I answer with the "might makes right" thing to the previous paragraph too.
As for law, I generally *like* to follow it since it's easy, I don't want trouble, and I just wanna be comfy. I won't lie that there's been times when I've *not* followed the law for xyz reason, be it outright not following it, or receiving services in an easier manner than normal.
Of course in practice, I would vote against such law for multiple reasons.
My point is that rules are to be respected, but everybody seems to think they are above the law, whether it is to violate the rights of migrants, or the migrants themselves violating borders of foreign nations, and many other examples.
The people who are saying "just kick them all out" dont realize that it is their weakness that allowed leftists governments in their own countries to bring all the migrants in, and now they just want to kick them out.
How would you feel if my brother tells you "come into the house, its fine, you can just go in through the back door and go get stuff from the fridge" and then I appear with a shotgun and act like you are subhuman scum for being in my house?
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun i wonder, given that there's a number of illegal aliens working in other countries, do laws apply to them if they are not considered citizens or something similar? Hmmm.
I realized a long time ago that my preferences are shaped by what they make me think of. Is why superficially similar things are unappealing to me in some things even if I like something that theoretically is quite similar
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun might makes right is not high morality indeed, but it's raw truth nonetheless, and you could say that even in western society, many things done followed that in principle. I'd say that people disliking rule of law more and more is because they often see stuff happen and laws be twisted to suit xyz thing. Plus, there's been a huge wave of "you can just do things", I had an idea of how to express this but I lost it. I'm hungry.
Western civilization stands on higher morality than that.
We are seeing people go away from rule of law towards fascism and communism because the quality of the average person is tanking both genetically and culturally.
Everybody seems to have a reason as to why they are justified in not abiding by the rules.
I break the rules when the rule itself is self-defeating and it would be absurd to follow it, and in light cases (like jaywalking) I break it if I know I'm not causing any trouble (therefore respecting the spirit of the law) but then if I get caught and fined I pay the fine because I consciously entered into the agreement that I am caught doing something I know I shouldnt be doing, I must pay for it.
america has shown you can in fact do this with people cheering on it.
>So illegal migrants have a point when they try to stay, because if you let someone in and just let them be for years instead of kicking them out, they have gained a de-facto status of resident.
Does the law agree with this? I've no idea. Plus there's also the new stuff with removing visas and green cards and even citizenships
> human rights apply as long as the country has signed the human rights treaties.
Other laws fall into grey areas because you are not supposed to let people in a country illegally, and you are not supposed to do anything except for immediately chase them until you find them then kick them out or imprison them.
So illegal migrants have a point when they try to stay, because if you let someone in and just let them be for years instead of kicking them out, they have gained a de-facto status of resident.
You cant just keep people in a limbo and whenever you feel like destroy their lives.
People are just animalistic and want more for them and less for others, if you dislike lawlessness the response is not to generate more lawlessness but to go back to lawfulness.
Might makes right is just a phrase, you can translate it into reality in infinite ways that contradict each other.
Civilized countries have complex abstract law that require years of study and massive decision-making mechanisms, this is why we landed on the moon among other things.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun > Might makes right is just a phrase, you can translate it into reality in infinite ways that contradict each other.
fair, perception is a bitch, yeah yeah.
I don't know if there'll be a strong return to lawfulness, though.
@ZRDR_DelRio@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@mischievoustomato@sun right, and I suppose if you had the economic means and if the legitimate owner/creator of the game asked you to pay a fair amount for your pirated copy, you would just pay it happily because thats whats fair.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun > If you live with a woman without being married, if she can prove she lived in your house and you shared expenses, she can get half of your stuff sometimes.
I do not agree with this at all and man, considering how women can just get half the stuff of guys just like that, I can't fault guys for murdering women. Sheehsh..
@mischievoustomato@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun well yes you can abuse people and act like you are above the law, and we are seeing everybody doing this nowadays, but I'm saying thats now how it should be.
The law is to be interpreted for novel cases, and I think its a very strong position to say that a person that could have been deported many times during the last 10 years, a person who wasn't a fugitive, a person with an address, a driving license, a person who interacted with cops multiple times and was never arrested or deported for being illegally in the country, does gain the right to not just be kicked out one day without notice. A lawyer would have a very strong position for something like this.
If you live with a woman without being married, if she can prove she lived in your house and you shared expenses, she can get half of your stuff sometimes.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun > The law is to be interpreted for novel cases, and I think its a very strong position to say that a person that could have been deported many times during the last 10 years, a person who wasn't a fugitive, a person with an address, a driving license, a person who interacted with cops multiple times and was never arrested or deported for being illegally in the country, does gain the right to not just be kicked out one day without notice. A lawyer would have a very strong position for something like this.
Can this even hold up? We've seen people just get sent back lmfao. A couple of months ago a man told the story of like, his nephews being deported after years of being in america. He was also... patriotic somehow, went about how people should've worked here and whatever. Bleh, I have no love for this place.
@mischievoustomato@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun I mean there is barely any rule of law anyway in the US nowadays, so for one case a court will prevent the deportation, for another case the guy will have a bag put on his head and shipped overseas.
We are in a soft state of lawlessness and civil war already.
@Ergo@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun im a light skinned latrino but if I can fulfill my dream of moving to a 1st world country and do well and live happily, I'll fight for that country if possible.
@mischievoustomato@HoneyBadgerSupreme@Nudhul@sun Ive migrated multiple times, legally because they wanted me. They literally had to sign a paper saying they want to give me a visa. Nothing wrong with moving to another place where you are wanted.
In my case my country of origin is good enough that everywhere I have tried moving to ended up being worse and I left.
@sun wonder when they'll get the news of an even younger but nearly identical looking ukraining refuge was killed by an immigrant in germany at nearly the same time (there is no video)