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    Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:42 JST Rich Felker Rich Felker
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    • Khleedril

    @highergeometer @khleedril "What if there was a critical mathematical typo that was easily fixed by the authors and missed by the reviewers?"

    If this is the case there needs to be documentation of the correction. As others reading (possibly from a printout or saved copy), citing, etc. need to know they may be looking at or quoting a version with an error that might make a huge mess when it mismatches what others are reading.

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      theHigherGeometer (highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:43 JST theHigherGeometer theHigherGeometer
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      • Khleedril

      @khleedril What if there was a critical mathematical typo that was easily fixed by the authors and missed by the reviewers? I'm not talking about rewriting the paper, just saving some poor grad students in the future wasting an hour, a day, a month on bashing their head against an easily missed trivial mistake that otherwise changes the meaning? Most people will be accessing the arXiv version of this, is my guess, not the paywalled version. I declined for my library to pay Springer an APC for what is already free on the internet.

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      Khleedril (khleedril@cyberplace.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:44 JST Khleedril Khleedril
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      • theHigherGeometer

      @highergeometer Well, I agree with the second term. Once a manuscript is accepted, it becomes an immutable, historical document. If it contains mistakes, they may be corrected in subsequent correspondence, but the record must stand as provenance of the historical development of the subject area.

      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      theHigherGeometer (highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:47 JST theHigherGeometer theHigherGeometer
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      Springer's 'terms of use' for the 'accepted manuscript' version include forbidding sharing the file—say from the arXiv—with others (paragraph 5 is essentially fair use provisions and quoting in an academic context), and even the *authors* are forbidden from making any changes whatsoever to the accepted manuscript at any later date.

      Pfft.

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      theHigherGeometer (highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:48 JST theHigherGeometer theHigherGeometer
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      The only thing you can do is tick a box that says "you are agreeing to the content in this publishing agreement, and are legally bound to it."

      or email them for "help".

      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      theHigherGeometer (highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Sep-2025 00:25:49 JST theHigherGeometer theHigherGeometer

      Springer now demand that your pre-acceptance version of a paper on the arXiv comes with a disclaimer:

      “This preprint has not undergone peer review (when applicable) or any post-submission improvements or corrections. The Version of Record of this article is published in [insert journal title], and is available online at https://doi.org/[insert DOI]”."

      and forbids you from putting the version accepted on the arXiv under an OA license:

      "The rights granted to the Author with respect to the Accepted Manuscript are subject to the conditions that (i) the Accepted Manuscript is not enhanced or substantially reformatted by the Author or any third party, and (ii) the Author includes on the Accepted Manuscript an acknowledgement in the following form, together with a link to the published version on the publisher’s website: “This version of the article has been accepted for publication, after peer review (when applicable) but is not the Version of Record and does not reflect post-acceptance improvements, or any corrections. The Version of Record is available online at: http://dx.doi.org/[insert DOI]. Use of this Accepted Version is subject to the publisher’s Accepted Manuscript terms of use https://www.springernature.com/gp/open-research/policies/accepted-manuscript-terms”. Under no circumstances may an Accepted Manuscript be shared or distributed under a Creative Commons or other form of open access licence."

      So Springer is saying it has control over how people use papers on the arXiv: "Use of this Accepted Version is subject to the publisher’s Accepted Manuscript terms of use."

      I knew none of this when I submitted my paper, nor when I uploaded my updated paper to the arXiv.

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