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   翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:29:44 JST 翠星石
   >Debian has removed mentions of GNU from their website.
   Absolutely disgusting.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:29:41 JST 翠星石

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     • pantherastare
     @pantherastare Yes, there does still exists unsullied pages.
     
     But if you go onto debian.org and browse only the top level pages, all you'll see is lies like; "Debian is a Linux-based operating system"
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     pantherastare (pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:29:42 JST pantherastare

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     @Suiseiseki https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=GNU
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:50:25 JST 翠星石

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     • pantherastare
     @pantherastare All GNU distributions are connected - as they use the same GNU software and libraries and have the same feel of GNU.
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     pantherastare (pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:50:26 JST pantherastare

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     @Suiseiseki yeah I've noticed that. honestly I prefer dropping all pretense that all gnu distributions are somehow connected so that's ok
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:55:25 JST 翠星石

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     • pantherastare
     @pantherastare Imagine if many people wore the same GNU/Gloves - clearly those people are connected.
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     pantherastare (pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 21:55:26 JST pantherastare

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     @Suiseiseki about as connected as every person on earth because everyone has two hands and ten fingers, kinda yeah and we all end up doing similar stuff but also not really?
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     Paul Sutton (zleap@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 22:24:28 JST Paul Sutton

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     @Suiseiseki

     The fall out from Richard Stallman being made president at the FSF a few years (I was at the virtual part of the conference) still seems to resonate with people, seems some can't move on, Linux (kernel) would not be as it is without GNU tools, RMS and the GPL. You can't seperate GNU and Linux, no matter how you feel about RMS.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 22:24:28 JST 翠星石

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     • Paul Sutton
     @zleap GNU is not simply a collection of tools - it is a complete OS; https://www.gnu.org/software/
     
     It's the Linux project that merely supplies a kernel and some tools (util-linux).
     
     Linux would be nowhere and cannot do without GNU, but GNU will do just fine without Linux.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 22:56:55 JST 翠星石

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     • RedTechEngineer
     • Paul Sutton
     @RedTechEngineer @zleap >Non-Linux GNU systems
     Yes, GNU systems without Linux exist, as GNU is not a "Linux system".
     
     >non-GNU Linux systems
     Linux is not a system - as if you go and install just Linux, it won't run.
     
     >Haiku
     That does not use the kernel, Linux.
     
     Although it does use GNU software like glibc; https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/License.md
     
     Although, Haiku is unacceptable regardless, as it's proprietary software derived from the proprietary BeOS and more proprietary software was added too; https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/data/system/data/firmware
     
     >Android
     Android is not a system that can stand on its own - the buildscripts to compile it only run on GNU/Linux and software for Android is developed on GNU/Linux.
     
     It really sucks bad until you at least install parts of GNU via Termux and it's adb shell seems to be designed for the installation of GNU bash (so you at least have access to a non-terrible shell).
     
     Android is GNU-derived, but happens to not contain any of GNU by default.
     
     >MacOS and Winblows are partially GNU to a not fully known extent (being habitual GPL violators)
     macos shipped GPLv2-or-later GNU software in compliance with its licensing, but stopped updating the software when it was upgraded to GPLv3-or-later - as that was too free
     
     windows didn't seem to ship any GNU software - only some LGPLv2.1 libraries - although with the latest "co-pilot" enforcement, unknown amounts of GNU code are being copy-pasted into windows.
     
     microsoft tends to avoid blatantly infringing FSF copyrights in a way that doesn't allow them to simply dismiss a claim, as the FSF would be glad to sue after all.
     
     
     There also BusyBox/Linux, which is under a GNU license and you need GNU to compile it, but there's not much else.
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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 22:56:56 JST RedTechEngineer

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     • Paul Sutton
     @zleap @Suiseiseki you absolutely can though. Non-Linux GNU systems and non-GNU Linux systems do exist and are commonly used.
     
     Haiku, Android, GNU/Hurd, and more.
     
     Even MacOS and Winblows are partially GNU to a not fully known extent (being habitual GPL violators)