Wrong? How? It is more expensive and with less choice, and if you insist to drag in software then apple still has the least compatibility. It's just objectively true. Classic applefag response though, ignore everything that's said and dive deep into cope :crumb:
@Sui@Purp1Lady That's nice. I'm not a fairy gay faggot and I don't drink Charbucks. I don't pretend Apple is not more expensive, because I just felt it in my pocketbook getting my new MacBook Air out of necessity for my photography. Especially when I'm going through and processing over 7000+ photos like I did last year with Balloon Fiesta 2024. Not going through that shit again.
I'll tell you something right now. Apple has hit a home run with the M4 series of Apple Silicon. When what took 30+ minutes to process last year, now takes 30 seconds or less. That is how impressive these new processors/GPU's are.
I'm putting on my Computer Analyst/Programmer hat here, and yes I have a degree that gave me the ability to program in six different programming languages.
macOS is a vastly superior OS over Windows and even Linux. I've used more Linux distributions than I care to count. Apple does some boneheaded shit sometimes, but that happens with every OS. Windows has had its share of it over the years.
Linux still sucks shit after all these years, because you still don't have companies making products I use every single day. Windows sucks shit all the time to this day since Windows 3.
e.g. DxO PhotoLab, DxO FilmPack, DxO PureRaw, DxO ViewPoint, Topaz Photo AI 4, Tag Editor, To Audio Converter, Mac DVD Ripper Pro, Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo, Affinity Publisher, Visual Watermark, etc.
If these companies offered these software applications I'd probably be using Linux. But, it is what it is.
In my world, if you make the software they will come. Linux doesn't make software that even approaches the functionality that I need in my computing life. I've been using computers since my first AMIGA 500 back in the late 1980s, so I think I know what I'm talking about here. Oh... I was even a Commodore AMIGA Authorized Dealer with my own computer store back in Canada.
In 1997, I was faced with going with the Mac or a Windows computer, because Commodore went bankrupt back in 1992. My AMIGA was getting too slow online, etc. I chose the Mac with the Power Macintosh 5400/180 while I was still in the Canadian Forces. Then I got the first iMac (Bondi Blue) and sold my Power Mac to a friend of mine.
It really shouldn't need that much text just to say the obvious truth that it goes Linux > microsoft > apple 🤷🏻♂️. As cost increases (negative) choice is more limited (also negative). More negatives ≠ positive.
@Purp1Lady This is when you need government and regulate their asses. Forcing people to download updates when they don't want to is wrong and the business ethics of it is up for a lengthy discussion.
Say what you will about Apple, but this is why I prefer macOS. Apple doesn't force you to update, so I can update when I choose to do so after bugs have been ironed out.
Government regulation causes these kinds of problems, not fixes them. Regulation is easier/more affordable for the tech giants to follow and they welcome their competition getting crippled because they can get away with raping the consumers more and more.
> Say what you will about Apple Ok cool I will, it's gay and for retarded starbucks swilling faggots who enjoy pretending that an excessively high cost = a superior product. You can postpone updates on windows, it's one of the first things on the update page lmao, and you can even use 3rd party software 🤯.
Linux has had both OS beaten for years, but apple is still the most retarded and gay by a long margin.
@Purp1Lady this is funny because on linux, BTRFS (a widely used filesystem for linux) had a bug that would render a system unbootable, and you had to fix it manually. Stuff happens basically.
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady@Sui Linux is acceptable if you can tolerate some stuff, for most people it should work fine but when there's issues it can range from "oh ok i have to do this and its fine" or "im the only person on the world who has this issue wtf".
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady@Sui I've been using Linux since 2020 full time or near full time (full time since 2021 actually) and used a lot of distros and eventually landed on Gentoo. This is either my endgame distro or I move to macOS and never look back. So far I am comfy.
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady@Sui i used it, but it's developed by a very small team and you eventually run into the "other apps look and feel alien". So now I just run KDE.
@Sui@Purp1Lady@politicallyincorrectpuppy > excessively high cost = a superior product it does have nice extras that you get for the price from what I hear. A good chunk of people even on fedi mentioned this when moving from normal computers or android to apple stuff. I am yet to try it though, but I am quite fed up with Android so I do believe my next phone will be an iPhone.
@Sui@Purp1Lady@politicallyincorrectpuppy If I had the money, I would prefer to just pay and not have issues. I have put time and learned a lot, but when I have a job and money I will probably not want to do that as much, but currently I am fine dealing with Gentoo.
> it can range from "oh ok i have to do this and its fine" or "im the only person on the world who has this issue wtf".
That kinda just sums up life in general though 🤷🏻♂️
Also isn't it better to not be so reliant on exclusive "geniuses" to fix tech problems who will inevitably just recommend the most expensive solution to any problem, as they have a direct vested interest in doing so?
I gave up that idiocy years ago - always chasing the faster specs, etc. It's not worth it. Just buy what you want to use and to hell with everyone else.
You can do that with any OS though, it's not a perk of apple it's just an unavoidable inevitability with them. I can guarantee you that there are plenty of people willing to fix any tech problem you have with any major OS if you throw enough money at them.
@Sui@Purp1Lady@politicallyincorrectpuppy but as stuff stands now, I my next pc would be a gaming laptop. ream would be a rog zephyrus g14, but budget will probably put me in an asus tuf boundary. We'll see.
@mischievoustomato@Purp1Lady@Sui@rees Our Official Photographer Team Leader works for Apple. He used his Friends & Family Employee Purchase Plan to save some money for me. Much appreciated because that allowed me to buy the Anker Thunderbolt 5 doc I was able to get.
I was shocked when I saw the tracking information. Left Hanoi, Vietnam instead of China. Apple is finally getting its production out of China. The Magic Trackpad I ordered for my desktop setup is also made in Vietnam.
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady@Sui I really like how the Rog Zephyrus laptops look. Right now I have an Asus Vivobook, it's just black, upgradable ram, wifi and storage, fast cpu too (i5-12500H). Shit's nice.
@f0x@Purp1Lady I have fond memories of LM 17.2. I was in awe of the fact that I could listen to music and play vidya at the same time without horrible slowdowns. Windows couldn't do it
@Purp1Lady do Linux mint! Most games work with proton on steam if you use it. Just look up which hotfix to use for whatever non compatible game you want to play and force compatibility. I've had an honestly great experience with normie linux. Most krita additions are linux compatible too.
My MacBook Air 13" (2017) lasted me eight years until I was forced to upgrade because it's too damned slow for photo software coming out now. The new MacBook Air 15" (M4, 2025) runs circles around it, too.
On my older MacBook Air it took 30+ minutes to process a RAW photo file. On my newer one it takes less than 30 seconds or less. To me, this made the purchase absolutely worth it.
On my older MacBook Air I upgraded the SSD to 2TB from 512GB. Also, in October 2024 I replaced the battery, because after five years you normally have to do that with any laptop.
I've generally had a lot of good luck with Apple products. They also made my new MacBook Air in Vietnam not China which is a bonus. I'd prefer "Made in the USA" but no computer company is there yet.
My favorite Mac was the MacBook Pro 13" (mid-2012). Could do so many things with that laptop.
Years ago, I used to build Linux computers with Linspire and sell them to businesses. One Florida business bought 40 of them off me. Not one of them came back defective either, because I used quality components not crappy ones.
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady >Apple doesn't force you to update it's actually worse, they make their hardware prone to failure so you're forced to buy new ones
macOS is and always was free from the first version of Mac OS X. Mac OS Classic was a whole other story. Microsoft is the one that charges an arm and a leg for version upgrades.
Yeah, I can run Postal 2 easily on my laptop, which is pretty nice. (I'm just really hoping my laptop won't be affected tbqh, since I don't know which kind of ssd driver it has.)
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@Purp1Lady@Sui it's buying adobe and avid and all the other Mac programs again because sorry, your Mac can't run classic/ppc/Intel 32 apps anymore
@PurpCat@Purp1Lady@Sui@politicallyincorrectpuppy would people want to run those things anyway? For classic and ppc that just sounds like toy stuff that a VM could do, as for Intel 32, that was discontinued ages ago, and most software these days for mac just runs on Apple Silicon, no?
@mischievoustomato@gray@Purp1Lady@Sui The guy who works for Apple has an M2 MacBook Pro. He told me the M4 just blows that processor out of the water. Anything M1, M2, M3, M4 is good. With the M4 though they hit major performance improvements though.
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@gray@Purp1Lady@Sui Yeah. Imo the highlight for me on the M chips is the av1 hw encode. Neat. On my intel laptop I encode av1 using cpu but it's fast enough for avif and acceptable for av1. I have I think 2 online friends that have M2 macbook pros, I think both have the max variant, one showed to me that he could use his to generate women with huge tits, the other runs games on it, both are software engineers.
I don't know, maybe Apple engineers are smoking the same meth that engineers trying to beat the EPA smoke, and think that because this ram is somehow faster on paper that it outweighs SWAPPING EVERYTHING.
By faster, I mean "do you think Joe Normie is going to notice that it's 6 million jiggawatts faster vs your VRChat sesh crashing because it ran out of RAM again"
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@PurpCat@Purp1Lady When I have money I won't give a shit, I'll just get what I want, if its soldered or not it's gonna be fine for at least 3 years, and by that time I'll get a new computer and toss the one to the trash or use it for server stuff.
@PurpCat@mischievoustomato@Purp1Lady I'd like a Mac Pro like the original one I had where I could add components (HDDs, SSDs, RAM, video card) as I could afford them.
Personally, I agree. Apple should offer MacBook Air and MacBook Pro computers with the ability to install your own SSD and own SO-DIMM RAM via little removable plates on the bottom of them. I had that ability with my old MacBook Pro (mid-2012). I installed a SATA 2.5" SSD to replace the hard drive and maxed out the RAM.
@mischievoustomato@Purp1Lady@politicallyincorrectpuppy yeah so let me break it down for you: basically when you have an 8gb macbook the OS swaps to SSD all the damn time, which kills the SSD. It doesn't matter what OS you use, if it's ram constrained it's gonna do that.
@PurpCat@Purp1Lady@politicallyincorrectpuppy i know of that from /g/ and youtube, and apparently there were never reports of *actual* macbook deaths so I regard it as a nothingburger
@politicallyincorrectpuppy@PurpCat@Purp1Lady we have similar hp workstations at university. I9-12900K's with rtx a4000 gpus. Incredible power and at most they ran classic opengl on cpu lmfao. IDK why the university wasted so much money.. most people just bring their own laptops (myself included)
Meanwhile on GNU you need to specifically configure a swap space, if you run out of RAM then skill issue, but at least it doesn't slowly kill your SSD.
Winblows losers keep taking Ls and will do anything they can to keep on being losers instead of doing the most logical thing, which is to replace proprietary degeneracy with GNU+Linux.
Also have fun being unable to boot Windows 7 on new hardware.
@Pi_rat@sally@Purp1Lady New hardware is EFI with restricted boot and it will refuse to boot BIOS-boot OS's unless there is a way to enable BIOS-boot.
windows 7 also lacks a usb 3.0 driver by default, which means you won't be able to complete the installer unless there are USB 2.0 ports, or the driver is manually installed.
That is a waste of time when you should just install GNU/Linux (probably somewhat better proprietary malware compatibility in some cases - but why would you run malware?).
@Suiseiseki@sally >That is a waste of time when you should just install GNU/Linux
I am going to install Debian Hurd, or linux-libre(open for reccs) soon. I mostly use librewolf, gimp, kdenlive(occasionally). What should I expect? (links for some preliminary reading)
I have tried to install Guix and It would have worked but did not go ahead with it then, GPU(rx 6600) would not work but I don't use it anyways, and Im using rpi as a bridge for wifi.
@Purp1Lady@Pi_rat@sally GNU Linux-libre compiles and works fine on i686 core atom CPUs with <1GB RAM (but that also requires using decent software like GNU with Linux).
GNU/Linux distros usually come with a live image, so you can test to see if everything needed works before making any changes to the harddrive.
For an i686 computer that you want a GUI on, any distro that still supports 32 bit and you can install LXDE or LXQT or maybe xfce4 on.
For the free GNU/Linux-libre distros; https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html Hyperbola, Parabola and Guix do support 32bit, but 2 of those are annoying to use, since Arch and although Trisquel has dropped 32 bit support, old copies of the 32 bit version does work.
You can't brick a computer by installing GNU/Linux - you could only possible render it unbooting until you fixed the reason it isn't booting with a live image or otherwise.
The most reliable install method is to just format the drive and avoid dualbooting (if there are multiple drives and you want to keep the data on some of them, you physically unplug them to make sure).
Installers are now quite simple now - there's only ever problems caused by restricted boot (called secure boot) and windows wiping out the GRUB OS.
Not sure if my 32bit ThinkPad Tablet can handle Linux, since it's memory isn't really big. (I worry that I'll mess up my computers if I'm not careful, but I always worry if I screw up on switching to Linux tbh.) (I seriously wish pre-installed Linux laptops aren't so pricey man...Since I use Firefox as my main browser, and I'll archive my files into my TB harddrive.)