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   Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 05:27:21 JST Rich Felker

   We need a site called milkshake duck that lists projects that sound cool but the ppl begin them are nazis, rapists, advocates for csa, or similar. With receipts of course.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 05:29:16 JST Rich Felker

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     Hosted in a jurisdiction with weak libel laws, or as a Tor hidden service, of course, because it would absolutely be target of legal & other attacks.

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     aburka 🫣 (aburka@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 23:21:53 JST aburka 🫣

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     @dalias it *sounds* useful but I could also see this devolving into another kiwifarms so fast

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 23:25:56 JST Rich Felker

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     • aburka 🫣

     @aburka I think that's some serious bothsidesism, assuming "receipts" and not "gratification in hating on people because they're different" is the fundamental cause.

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     aburka 🫣 (aburka@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 23:26:15 JST aburka 🫣

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     @dalias no I definitely agree those are very different aims, but who adjudicates what is a receipt and who is eligible to be milkshaked?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 23:33:19 JST Rich Felker

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     • aburka 🫣

     @aburka Well-scoping: The point is not to identify everything ever done by a "bad person". The scope is (software/digital infrastructure) projects that are presenting themselves as promising/liberatory and that have received positive attention in typical channels for this. For example being featured on Orange Site, in lists of recommended privacy tech, having their own subreddit, etc.

     Projects not people: No digging into people's personal lives or otherwise invading their privacy. It's simply not necessary. These projects tell on themselves, usually in their READMEs or on their bug trackers. One possible case where they don't directly is when a well-known person who's a big problem is involved in the project, but then just the public record of the person's involvement, without any further information about that person, is sufficient.

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Aug-2025 23:43:12 JST Rich Felker

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     • aburka 🫣

     @aburka Also note that nobody is getting on whisper network lists like this unfairly now. Because if you've like screwed up and said implicitly "our no politics rule means you have to treat gender as political and can't fix pronouns that presume users are men", all you have to do to absolve yourself is own up to the mistake, reverse course, and institute policies so it won't happen again - policies that will tell the nazis you seemed to be welcoming to your about-to-be-a-nazi-bar that they're not welcome.

     Digging in is always the best, most reliable receipt.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Aug-2025 04:05:15 JST Rich Felker

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     • Christian Rickert

     @christianrickert That does not serve the same purpose whatsoever. The problem here is nazi asshats exploiting perceived or real holes in an area of software/digital-infrastructure to get themselves in a position of influence and power. See: SimpleX & other fake secure messengers, Ladybird, Brave, etc.

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     Christian Rickert (christianrickert@23.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Aug-2025 04:05:16 JST Christian Rickert

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     @dalias

     That particular list is going to be too long IMHO.

     Call it cool canary and list advocates and donors for humanistic or inclusive projects: Basically all people with their hearts in the right (respective: left) spot who support local communities.