> Vaccine proven completely safe > Significantly reduces risk of severe illness > You get it literally for free > You're free to refuse it, you just have to stay out of certain enclosed public spaces for a couple months > A couple retards on social media post edgy shit about people who refuse it > The only actual case of serious violence is from the anti-vax side
@taylan I was studying on an NHS course at the time and they made us take it. If we refused it, we were kicked off the course and could not graduate. We also needed to have COVID passes in order to be on the right side of the two-tier society that was created as a result of lockdowns.
The shots were free at point of delivery, but Pfizer et al. were charging increasingly exorbitant prices to governments (i.e. taxpayers) around the world in order to buy millions of shots at a time, mostly for people who didn't need it. We also sent millions of shots to Africa but, because they didn't have the infrastructure to use them effectively, most of them expired.
Don't get me wrong. At the time, I was concerned about long COVID. After the first two shots I was happy to stop, but because I had a vulnerable family member who was pressuring me to wear masks and do the usual, I took a third and got a headache from it. I then proceeded to get the real deal and outright refused to take shots, even when pressured by other family members.
What annoys me the most is people like you gaslighting and revising what actually happened five years ago. I may regret taking these shots based on what I now know, but I will not tolerate people who explain historical events in a way that didn't happen and pass it off as reality. I was at an especially vulnerable moment in my life back then. That's how I can remember it so vividly.
@bonifartius A little scepticism and healthy boundaries will go a long way. Someone asked me what lessons I'd learned from lockdown and I told then that I now knew who the police informers were. This is the age of new and better friends.
I'm not aware of any violence from *the anti-vax side* unless you count sarcastic social media posts and holding placards. as violence (here I am at a peaceful protest in all my glory thinking evil anti-vax thoughts).
Orwell's work was meant to be a warning, not an instruction manual. But by all means you are free to pretend that the events of 2020 onwards didn't happen they way they did (and if they did it wasn't as bad as we remember, and if it was as bad as we remember then it was for a good reason, and if it wasn't for a good reason then we didn't know everything and we've learned from the mistakes, and maybe it was the best for us to be treated like cattle by the kakistocracy etc etc etc).
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped."
A young gas station cashier got shot in the head here in Germany by a "COVID skeptic" because he was told to wear a mask. Conspiracy theories really make some people turn into insane lunatics.
@taylan@lain@EvolLove@bonifartius Just awful. There is no excuse for this. I was refused service in many shops for not wearing a mask and I would never have considered causing harm to anyone. I simply walked away, even if people were rude or aggressive. It is especially dreadful as we know that masks never worked but were imposed to create a climate of fear. All this division created in societies across the world to make the self-appointed elite class even richer. It sickens me.
I never confronted anyone who wore one, nor did I ever see anyone else do that. I was confronted by mask wearers and also saw this happen to other people. Wearing a mask was a choice and I believe that adults should be able to choose for themselves. The initial response was that they do not work, but this very quickly pivoted to compulsory behaviour. I believe that mask wearing was chosen as an easily identifiable marker of compliance. My views do not excuse the behaviour of the man in the news article you kindly sent to me and I totally condemn his actions and hope he is in prison for murder.
"Limited evidence" is meant literally, not as a negative. It's basically one step above "no evidence." To quote your own first source:
> In the community setting, a possible reduced risk of influenzalike illness was found among mask users. > In observational studies, wearing masks is associated with a lower risk of contracting viral respiratory infections.
The disclaimer on the mask box could simply be to ward off complaints.
Given that wearing a mask causes barely any inconvenience at all, I don't see an issue with mandating their use in enclosed spaces, based on *potential* benefits despite lack of clear evidence.
It's a bit like the seat belt mandate. Maybe you only ever drive very carefully at max. 20 Mph / 30 Kmh to the grocery store down two blocks, but you still have to wear the seat belt every time because it's easier to just mandate it for everyone in all cases than to figure out the exact scenarios in which it's really beneficial and try to encode that into precise rules.
> I believe that mask wearing was chosen as an easily identifiable marker of compliance.
Can you elaborate on what exactly you mean by that?
@taylan@lain@EvolLove@bonifartius I disagree that mask wearing causes barely any inconvenience. It was a massive imposition on our lives. It was especially egregious to claim that non-compliance was a social failing. But that was the point. I have already set you links to how they pollute the environment, contain microplastics, impair breathing, delay development in children and how it even says on the box that they don't work. They have had years and years to come up with data to prove that masks work, and yet they haven't. As soon as enough evidence comes in that they do, then we shall see. You could be hit on the head by falling debris from aircraft. Be prepared to wear a hard hat for the rest of your life. Better still, demand that everyone wear a hard hat to keep you safe from falling debris.
Seatbelts are a poor analogy. There is clear data about the reduction in death when seatbelts are used. I'm old enough to remember the time before mandatory seatbelts. Seatbelts only protect the wearer (except in the car when a back seat passenger not wearing a seatbelt could cause death to the person sitting immediately in front which can be dealt with by those travelling in the car); my not wearing a seatbelt will have no effect whatsoever on other road users.
Mask wearing was sold as a *I wear my mask to protect you* as was *vaccination* which is clearly false. It was a marketing tool to promote uniformity of thought. It was an Asch Conformity Test across the globe. An Abilene Paradox. A virtue signal. I don't need to pretend to care or tell the world how much I care to actually do no harm and go about my life in peace. We were herded like cattle. I'm not cattle.
If you want to believe that mask wearing really did save lives because you invested time and energy complying or you believed what you were told by the MSM and various celebrities, politicians, and bought and paid for credentialed *academics* then I won't stop you. You can wear them every day for the rest of your life if it makes you feel better. You're a grown up and you can make your own decisions. You can shout about how stupid I am or that I'm a conspiracy theorist or covidiot or tin foil hat wearer or evil anti-vaxxer or whatever you want. I've heard it all. If I do *die suddenly* from not wearing a mask/having a *vaccine*/not dancing on ticktock/ not clapping for the NHS during (insert new *plandemic* here) then it will be my choice and you are free to dance on my grave and sing "I told you so" with all the glee you can muster.