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Herzmut (herzmut@23.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:05:52 JST Herzmut
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@vkc being a hipster, I don't care what's a good time 🤷♂️

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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:05:46 JST Rich Felker
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  @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc Ladybird is DOA because of who the people working on it are.
  
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  stovis (stovis@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:05:47 JST stovis
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  @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc Looking forward to ladybird as well!
  I'm a bit worried tho, that even if the browser itself is really well crafted, the web continues to enshittify in such a way that most services depend on shady components anyway.
  For example: if u want to use a linux phone to escape google spying on you? shame, you depend on google play services to run national auth. services such as BankID.
  Hope I am wrong tho.
  
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  Siilwyn (siilwyn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:05:49 JST Siilwyn
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  @kboyd @herzmut @vkc same here, Firefox is still the best option. Looking forward to a Ladybird release.
  
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  Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦 (kboyd@phpc.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:05:51 JST Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦
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  @herzmut @vkc As long as a line gets drawn, I think we're all on the same page.
  Technically my line hasn't been drawn yet, because I don't like any of the alternative options. FF, for me, is still the least-bad option. But being able to look back on the lines people have drawn, that's useful, because it will let us know if Mozilla ever gets back on track.
  (I can see that things are not looking promising for that scenario.)
  
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:08:27 JST Rich Felker
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  @kboyd @herzmut @vkc The point of the line isn't refraining from using Firefox (it belongs to us not to them) but treating Mozilla as the enemy. Not donating to them, mocking them, calling for them to be ousted, hardening our systems against their ability to deploy malicious updates, disabling and teaching others how to disable malicious functionality, etc.
  
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  stovis (stovis@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:09:18 JST stovis
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  @dalias @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc Can you elaborate?
  
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:09:18 JST Rich Felker
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  @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc It's been rehashed many times. This is what a quick search of my past posts turned up: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/114093432442970360
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    @boutell@toot.cat @pluralistic@mamot.fr @mozillaofficial@mastodon.social Ladybird is a bunch of nazi fucks. If you need a reference for this, see my thread where someone from the team is arguing that having nazis on the project is perfectly fine: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@psychpsyo/114088490933152222
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:58:08 JST Rich Felker
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  @worik @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc Wow, that is... quite a take.
  From (checks notes) an account I've already written a Mastodon note on that they seem to be a bad actor.
  
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  Worik (worik@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 05:58:09 JST Worik
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  @dalias @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc I read that complete exchange
  I draw different conclusions
  I saw https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@psychpsyo getting bullied
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    Psychpsyo (@psychpsyo@mastodon.gamedev.place)
    
    44 Posts, 1 Following, 5 Followers · Mainly writing a rules engine for a hyper-niche card game that I got way too obsessed with some years ago. Also other stuff sometimes.
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  GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 06:02:27 JST GNU Too
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  @dalias @worik @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc so you are saying takes one to know one?
  
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 06:16:52 JST Rich Felker
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  @worik @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc I'm not gonna do your homework for you. Initially there was the refusal to fix badly gendered language with an attitude that fixing it would be "political". Then there was the minstrel style custom emoji. Then more and more red flags. The person above doesn't seem to be important in the project but seems to have been actively reflecting the culture that these folks are happy to be a nazi bar.
  
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  Worik (worik@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 06:16:53 JST Worik
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  @dalias @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc I see no evidence that person is significant in Ladybird.
  Ladybird has a CoC
  All see is piling on a beat up.
  Is there more evidence on Nazi affiliations (not just context free accusations) of the Ladybird project?
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 09:21:08 JST Rich Felker
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  @worik @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc Nope, what I'm going to reconsider is engaging with you. Bye.
  
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  Worik (worik@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 09:21:09 JST Worik
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  @dalias @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc
  That is slander with nothing to back it up
  Very easy to sling mud like that
  Very easy to back it up if it is fair, yet you won't
  Reconsider backing it up?
  
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 20:23:40 JST Rich Felker
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  @karadoc @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc It wasn't that they didn't change it right away. It's that they slipped up and revealed their values and who they want to include and exclude from the community. If they were just slow/silent not changing it, we wouldn't have had any warning, but they explicitly said they wanted to be "apolitical" (welcoming nazis).
  
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  K~ (karadoc@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 20:23:41 JST K~
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  @dalias @stovis @Siilwyn @kboyd @herzmut @vkc
  So, because they didn't immediately changing the wording of their documentation when asked - the whole project is permanently dead to you. Ouch.
  If even the slightest temporary misstep is enough to kill the reputation of any new project, then there isn't really any hope for positive change.
  Real humans are generally not perfect; especially when they don't have a full-time media-management team.
  The ladybird team made a mistake. It was a minor mistake. They have acknowledged it and corrected it. Surely that's enough. Right?
  
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 22:48:56 JST Rich Felker
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  @karadoc This is akin to "slipping up" by using the N word. It's not something that happens to someone who doesn't actually think that way. It's giving a glimpse at who they really are.
  If this were a mistake they would have apologized profusely, backtracked and fixed policy. Not doubled down and demanded that everyone agree they'd done nothing wrong. Like all of their fans (see: you and the other one I blocked earlier) keep doing.
  
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  K~ (karadoc@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Aug-2025 22:48:57 JST K~
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  Why would you assume that their slip-up was about a hidden inner evil, rather than *literally anything else*?
  Have you never in your life said something that you regret? Misspoke? Misread a situation and chose your words poorly? Missed some nuance in what you were saying and ended up conveying the wrong idea? These things have happened to me, and to basically everyone I know. I can imagine that also happen to people volunteering their time to make a web browser too.
  So in the absence of other evidence, I think it really is safe to assume that not immediately updating the documentation for their work probably does *not* mean that they are secretly nazis. Seriously. There are countless other interpretations that do not require drawing such a long bow. And there are enough real nazis in the world that we don't have to shadowbox with imaginary ones.
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