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   Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 12:50:37 JST Brodie Robertson

   If you're still on X11, I want to know why, I don't want theoretical things you could do but don't actually care about. But the actual real reasons that X11 is keeping you on it.

   Why are you still an X11 user in 2025?

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     Becca (bweller@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 12:53:10 JST Becca

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     @BrodieOnLinux Because it works and I know where all the tools are? I'm sure they'll swap it out for Wayland at some point, but I'm not missing anything that makes me want to switch.

     source: gaming and daily driving linux for 20 odd years. my steam account is old enough to drink and works fine on linux.

     ubuntu mate, also, because... i use my computer for stuff. i dont actually want things to be flashy and in different places.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 13:24:30 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     I have X configured just the way I like, with extensions and configurations to work with my screens, my TV, my VNC preferences, my scripts to switch between external and internal laptop displays, and last I tried Wayland, none of those configurations and scripts worked, and it was generally a step backward, while I was assured it was ready and great. now, there was no point in my wasting my time learning how to do something that I already knew how to do elsewhere, just because someone else expects me to get used to doing things their way, or to keep testing something whose primary interest was in rendering something I liked obsolete, and taking away the possibility of tunneling X through SSH and generally opening windows remotely; I've lived with that for decades, and taking that away is an unthinkable loss. the expectation and attitude that such loss, waste of time and imposing push for experimenting with software that is not even meant to bring me any advantage whatsoever to make up for the losses is just insulting and disrespectful, more so for someone who's neurodivergent (autistic traits such as cognitive rigidity, need for predictability, and fondness of regularity, plus pervasive desire for autonomy AKA pathological demand avoidance), but unfortunately they're all too common in the proprietary software scene. last thing we need in the free software scene is for the authoritarians and the clueless to import more of these horrible traits from their proprietary counterparts, or for people to get used to waste time learning how to get things back working the way they were before someone somewhere thought it was a great idea to push a breaking update onto them. https://blog.lx.oliva.nom.br/2020-03-15-new-dawn is about this not-quite-new social problem we're inheriting but should resist much harder.
     
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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 20:02:43 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • shtrophic

     @shtrophic That's actually really interesting, thanks for the link

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     shtrophic (shtrophic@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 20:02:45 JST shtrophic

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     @BrodieOnLinux there are a couple of opinions in a recent #openbsd mailing list thread about "the future of Xenocara" (which is the openbsd X11 implementation): https://marc.info/?t=174999227400001&r=1&w=2

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 21:08:36 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • w

     @w Your browser?

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     w (w@11n.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 21:08:37 JST w

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     why am I still using software that's under active development and had a release three weeks ago?
     
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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 22:08:11 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • w

     @w You shouldn't be using that browser

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     w (w@11n.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 22:08:13 JST w

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     @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social my browser hasn't had a release in nearly a year. Xorg server had a release in June
     
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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 22:42:56 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • Maxi 11x 💉
     • Elias Probst

     @eliasp @frumble ydotool is good but there's a lot that it can't do

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     Elias Probst (eliasp@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 22:42:57 JST Elias Probst

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     • Maxi 11x 💉

     @frumble there's ydotool [1] as an xdotool replacement.

     @BrodieOnLinux

     [1] https://github.com/ReimuNotMoe/ydotool

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     Maxi 11x 💉 (frumble@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 22:42:58 JST Maxi 11x 💉

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     @BrodieOnLinux With KDE #Plasma:

     1) I hate the unconfigurable trackpad gestures so much! I have a custom config under X.Org with libinput-gestures. Better config is in development for Plasma at the moment. Please come fast.

     2) Cannot use xdotool for scripts under WL. Also no xbindkeys.

     3) I cannot bind several special keys on my keyboard due to current limits of the #Wayland session. E.g. the Num key.

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     Boiling Steam (boilingsteam@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 23:57:12 JST Boiling Steam

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     • w

     @BrodieOnLinux @w Netsurf had a release end of 2023 last. Are you saying it's not OK to use it? https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/gtk/

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 23:57:12 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • w

     @boilingsteam @w correct you shouldn't be using it

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 03:26:12 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
     if the purpose of Wayland was to divide the community of users and of developers, and the efforts to develop and maintain windowing systems, it's working great, actually.
     
     BTW, a system's purpose is what it does
     
     CC: @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
     
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 03:26:13 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     @BrodieOnLinux I have different sets of weird bugs with both X11 and Wayland but X11 seems to be the less buggy one right now.
     
     I wish Wayland never existed. 16 years later it's still not better than X11, so what's the point. They should have tried to improve X instead.
     
     I've also used X11 forwarding in the past and may do so again at some point. It's supposed to be possible with Wayland but I already know how it works with X11 and you literally just need ssh.
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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 09:32:56 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • w

     @w If you don't enable javascript that's a very different case from a normal browser

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     w (w@11n.org)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 09:32:59 JST w

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     @w@11n.org @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social I mostly use links2, not sure why you think I shouldn't
     
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     w (w@11n.org)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 09:33:01 JST w

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     why not?
     
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Jul-2025 22:16:27 JST 翠星石

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     @BrodieOnLinux Since it actually tends to work and doesn't have added latency.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Jul-2025 12:16:18 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @BrodieOnLinux I use it on most of my hardware because it's just what I'm used to, except for one machine where I went FULL WOKE and am using the plasma wayland session because that just works out of the box compared to X11 which has weird issues with server acceleration.