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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 01:15:40 JST kaia
   years of watching city planner videos prepared me for this: gotta rip up the entire roundabout!
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 01:58:07 JST 翠星石

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     • Hyperhidrosis
     @Hyperhidrosis @kaia Generally a regular intersection results in worse traffic than a roundabout and t-bones (while a roundabout forces people to slow down and turn, thus t-bones almost never happen) - although in the parasitic case people are hopeless and have managed to jam up a roundabout.
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 01:58:08 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     @kaia why not a regular intersection?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:00:18 JST 翠星石

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     @Hyperhidrosis @kaia *and has some incidence of t-bones
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:06:37 JST 翠星石

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     • Hyperhidrosis
     @taylan @kaia @Hyperhidrosis Roundabouts certainly offer better throughtput than an intersection with dual or quad stop signs.
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:06:38 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     • Hyperhidrosis
     @Suiseiseki @kaia @Hyperhidrosis
     
     Roundabouts offer worse throughput than an intersection with traffic lights in case of high traffic, but it should actually not be possible to jam it up either if people follow the rules.
     
     Assuming the German rule of "whoever is within the roundabout has the right of way; those wanting to enter it must yield."
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:08:19 JST 翠星石

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     • Hyperhidrosis
     @Hyperhidrosis @kaia Drivers like that will jam those up too, but yes if a recurring fortune is spent on licensing proprietary traffic light software, an intersection can be force-unclogged.
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:08:20 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     @Suiseiseki @kaia can't they just put more traffic lights and turning Lane lights?
     
     I've been driving in this one busy intersection and the red light interval is around 2 minutes. each lane gets a good amount of time to clear out.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:29:04 JST 翠星石

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     • Hyperhidrosis
     @Hyperhidrosis @kaia @taylan Yes, that is the proprietary method that allows scanning the plates for ANPR usages.
     
     You can more reliably place a magnetic loop in the road that can be used to measure how many cars are on the road just fine and automatically change the light to green if a car is waiting and there are no other cars.
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:29:05 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
     @taylan @kaia @Suiseiseki traffic lights are dynamic.
     they have cameras to see how many cars are on the road and adjust wait time accordingly.
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Jul-2025 02:29:06 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     @Hyperhidrosis @kaia @Suiseiseki
     
     At low rates of traffic, lights actually decrease throughout, since they force people to wait at an empty intersection.
     
     Also, they're quite expensive.