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@domi @jn @famfo @tufo @merlin In practice I feel like Framework is basically just a business laptop (hence the prices), and somewhat more repairable than thinkpads if you're always in the right parts of the world.
And rather funny to have them seen as pro-linux when they just allow to not choose windows, to me pro-linux is when I actively see a vendor participating in development/support and/or make sure to have the least amount of NDAs/firmware-locks.
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@domi @famfo @jn @merlin @tufo And personally I'm not huge on "repairability" being pretty much just parts-swapping, specially proprietary parts as that ties you to the manufacturer and their whims.
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@lanodan @jn @domi @famfo @tufo @merlin
fwiw i thing rossman did get framework to release schematics in the end, so it's somewhat *actually* repairable from that end, but that's not of a sell to end consumers as i don't think anyone but repair technicians will attempt board-level repairs anyway
regardless tho, i agree with this thread pretty much -- i got a framework myself to avoid dealing with bs from most other laptops, aka, not because frameworks are good, but because everyone else is so awful in the matter of modern laptops (i wanted a modern amd cpu, and not-soldered in memory/storage), a lot of people recommend older laptops to avoid the bs but i need to frequently compile wine and other packages
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@navi @jn @domi @famfo @tufo @merlin Boards schematics are cool but I feel like those are only useful when you want skilled repair-shop work done and still rely on things like firmware and related tools not being behind locked doors (Apple being an horrible example of that).
Plus I don't really see this kind of thing happening much given the expensive tools needed (like for example I don't see most hackerspaces having them, at least outside of the ones that are run like a business), so I think most people would just… parts-swap or get a whole new machine.
Meanwhile as far as I can tell parts that are either consumable like the battery or easily breakable under use/accident like the fan, keyboard, or touchpad are proprietary.
So they keep a lot of the status quo made by modern laptops.
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@RedTechEngineer @jn @domi @famfo @tufo @merlin Given they've put BootGuard… likely not happening, even from community unless someone cracks it.
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@lanodan @jn @domi @famfo @tufo @merlin coreboot when
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