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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:06:17 JST Fish of Rage
   if enshittification is just the gradual process by which people are expected to pay for things they use that cost money to operate then please enshittify everything
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:11:07 JST lainy

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     @sun as soon as VC are not willing to give me free stuff anymore, enshittification starts
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:19:41 JST pwm

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     @sun Starting TOMORROW each post made on this instance will bill 0.1 cents per api call with a maximum of 1000 api calls per month unless you subscribe to our $2 per month dark premium plan, with unlimited api calls.
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:19:44 JST :blank:

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     @sun good thing they can simply host it themselves on prem instead of paying thousands of dollars a month for hundrends of users who have no reason to keep in mind the per user seat cost
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     Violetta Bleu (purp1lady@decayable.ink)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:26:43 JST Violetta Bleu

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     Enshittification makes me want to continue in my personal website tbh.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:27:23 JST Fish of Rage

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     @toiletpaper I think it's a bad term
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:27:24 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     As I understand it, it's about companies first attracting a massive user-base with proprietary services that people become completely dependent on and unable/unwilling to disconnect from due to peer-pressure, then commoditizing that user-base to the point that the utility of the service becomes steadily degraded in the interests of squeezing every possible shekel out of them.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:30:54 JST Fish of Rage

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @toiletpaper he has steadilly increased whwat it means I think it means anything now. if you force ads on people then maybe but if you just ask money for a service that costs money to operate...that's just normal. yeah they locked you in with a free tier, you were too trusting
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:30:55 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     Maybe. In context, tmk, this is where the term came about, or at least gained traction.
     
     DEF CON 31 - An Audacious Plan to Halt the Internet's Ensh*ttification - Cory Doctorow | DEFCONConference
     https://youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4
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     sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:32:16 JST sampo

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     @sun to me enshittification means things staying the same but myself growing more jaded
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:33:55 JST lainy

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @sun @toiletpaper I think he just means “it’s not free”. He is economically illiterate so he comes up with explanations like “surplus value” for things he doesn’t like. He’s a good sci-fi author, though
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:36:30 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lain @toiletpaper he an okay scifi author but I admit I'm not a great critic of scifi
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:39:09 JST lainy

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     @sun @toiletpaper I’m very willing to downgrade him to “okay”, I’ve only read his short stories. His novels sound like they are not that great
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     Anonicus 2 (anonsfw@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:41:06 JST Anonicus 2

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     @sun
     Discord is a good one where it really was a solid chat service with little to no issues other than proprietary shit but overtime it became a huge buggy mess.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 05:51:17 JST prettygood

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     @sun it literally doesn't mean that. I'm on team "pay for shit you use online" but enshittification is just "make line go up no matter what" and has nothing to do with charging anyone money.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 06:04:15 JST Phantasm

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     @prettygood @sun This mostly works for services and to an lesser extent on physical products, ie. subscription services on a monthly/quarterly payment. There's a tendency to refrain from milking your paying customers, because they are already paying you. When you try to milk them while providing a worse product (even then competition), they will stop paying you. When you model is "free"/ad-driven, that correction does not exist.
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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 06:41:57 JST sapphire

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     @prettygood @sun it’s like signing up for a free trial and at the end they charge you and remove all the features
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