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   lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:06:30 JST lainy
   people being able to modify their clients with just a few words completely destroys most traditional models of control that service owners have. if i can make a new youtube client with 2 sentences, how would they ever push new features, or even ads? Maybe this will lead to a more standards-based web with very individualistic and idiosyncratic clients.
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:13:18 JST kaia

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     @lain I don't think so. companies will do everything to enforce control of their ecosystem. YouTube Vanced got into legal trouble, has to distribute patches, probably gets sued. normies won't adopt open platforms. there's no advertisement, no famous people paid to be there.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:19:50 JST lainy

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     @kaia i'm not saying that a developer will do it, i'm saying the user will do it. you can't legally persecute 300 million users with their individual clients.
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     barrett (barrett@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:20:28 JST barrett

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     @lain guten tag big dawg. who's making clients with their mouths
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:37:46 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @lain @kaia
     I've seen it recently just for videos.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:37:47 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @lain @kaia
     >you can't legally persecute 300 million users with their individual clients
     https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/
     "You aren't using a signed client"
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 07:38:36 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @kaia @lain
     That's a different issue imo
     
     >companies will do everything to enforce control of their ecosystem.
     DRM. Most them know each other and agree behind closed doors.
     
     > there's no advertisement, no famous people paid to be there.
     The whole advertisement ecosystem is owned by google themselves. No other than their advertising network can display ads. That's notably why they are forced to sell.
     If youtube/google had more than just one Advertising network then they wouldn't have had to sell and many people would have been able to get advertising networks on other platforms without issue.
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     Nicro (nicro@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 15:53:38 JST Nicro

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     @kaia @lain Big-Tech is like an eldritch being. By default it passively harvests the population of a world, completely unnoticed by most. If you take note of it, you can take control of the process in a limited space, becoming a warlock. If the being now acknowledges you, you pray that it doesn't care enough, for it could erase you with a thought. If the people at large take note and deny it food, it will either starve or lash out.
     
     A bit over-dramatic, but YouTube's job is to hold market-share and deliver Ads. If the average person is given an adblocker, the argument of market-share won't carry the platform. (See what ublock and co. did).
     Google will find a way to maintain status quo or sunset the platform, while blaming users for the decision.
     
     Newpipe and Co. aren't hunted at full force, because they're a special case of a special case, with minimal impact. There is the occasional website change to keep up appearances, but there is no justified budget, and so it gets to exist.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jun-2025 20:43:28 JST 翠星石

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     @lain >people being able to modify their clients with just a few words
     No, the process is not that simple no matter how much proprietary software you are willing to gleefully run.
     
     There exists right now a free software youtube client and also a youtube downloader that was handcrafted that doesn't show ads.