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   nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:12:02 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

   • cornfields74
   @cornfields74 xmpp is hardly sane, i like IRC but it's old and people don't like the ways of our ancestors
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:15:29 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 I'd rather cope with all of XMPP's issues than use dicksword
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:16:57 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @prettygood @cornfields74 when the issues come down to group chats basically having netsplits i don't think it'd be fun to try and just tank all of the issues xmpp has. all of the clients and server implementations of xmpp have their own weird issues
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:17:46 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 I literally don't care because its still free as in freedom. No amount of free software warts will convince me to use Discord.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:18:57 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     • cornfields74
     @prettygood @cornfields74 Matrix is too. But you aren't hosting a server for that are you? Because you don't want to deal with Synapse just shitting out tons of garbage into Postgres.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:20:53 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @prettygood @cornfields74 Like dude, I've had XMPP just not fucking work when I join MUCs. Matrix seems to be more stable in that regard but people still hate hosting Matrix servers because of the issue I just mentioned.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:22:03 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood i had a pleasant experience with conduit, while xmpp was a huge disappointment. Now, I am in a MUC and like sure it works, but the clients are of notorious lower quality, unlike matrix ones. Not to mention that MUCs gotta be unencrypted or the whole thing breaks donw
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:24:55 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 two of them, in fact. I have two Synapse servers running simultaneously. They are using a combined < 100MB of memory and less than 300MB of postgres data.
     
     Synapse complaints are unfounded redditor arguments in my experience.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:25:17 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 I've had issues in XMPP mucs now and then too, NGL.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:26:49 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @prettygood @cornfields74 The Redditor in this case is fucking Graf. He's had to write sql routines just to clear out turds that Synapse likes to poop out every once in a while. It sounds unpleasant.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:27:38 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 I dunno man I have a simple shell script that shuts down synapse, runs vacuum full analyze, takes a backup, and restarts the instance, and shit just works.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:29:43 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @prettygood @cornfields74 I really hope that isn't a necessity in order to run a Synapse instance :blobcatoh:
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:31:15 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 I can't say its necessary but some degree of maintenance is required. Maintenance is always required.
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     Tadano (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:32:39 JST Tadano

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood Remember Dendrite?
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:33:29 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @prettygood @cornfields74 Of course but people are lazy/ignorant and either don't care or don't know to do stuff like vacuuming their DB and then blame the software when things break.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:33:42 JST prettygood

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     • cornfields74
     @Tadano @nyanide @cornfields74 I got burned by Conduit, and I switched to Synapse before watching Conuwuit crash and burn and recognizing I made the right decision. The best software is the one that just fucking works.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:33:47 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @Tadano @cornfields74 @prettygood I haven't really heard anything about it in a long time but yeah.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 09:34:11 JST prettygood

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 its the core reason behind the "pleroma just bitrots" meme.
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     fif (fif@femcel.online)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:15:53 JST fif

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     @prettygood @nyanide @cornfields74 hop on simplex bro

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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:15:53 JST prettygood

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     • fif
     @fif @nyanide @cornfields74 I tried once but it didn't stick
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:38:11 JST Phantasm

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     • cornfields74
     @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood It's better than that. The database shat itself into being unusable and graf had to fix it manually. And after the whole element/synapse enterprise or whatever I trust Matrix even less. XMPP also sucks in many ways. Matrix has issues with the server side and XMPP has issues with clients.
     
     My Signal account isn't for public convo and neither is Discord. I would rather use IRC or just literally email me.
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     fif (fif@femcel.online)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:38:12 JST fif

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     @prettygood @nyanide @cornfields74 its group chat problems are worse than xmpp+omemo mucs lol

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:44:02 JST Phantasm

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     • Vokainen
     @vokainen099 @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood feld has been talking a lot about DeltaChat and another fedizen also said that it works really well, so that might also be a solution.
     
     And guess what, that also runs over SMTP. Although a very abused usage of it.
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     Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 03:44:03 JST Vokainen

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     @phnt @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood Find it funny how in the end we're back to emails and irc, both conceived in the 80s
     
     A reasoning that applies for most of the software industry
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     Pawslut420 (sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 04:23:19 JST Pawslut420

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     @phnt @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood someone I know had to ask to be removed from a matrix room because that room bloated his database up by gigs

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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 04:30:06 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @fif @cornfields74 @prettygood
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     fif (fif@femcel.online)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 04:48:38 JST fif

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood me whenever i say anytging and spinch is in the room

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     Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 05:29:52 JST Vokainen

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     @phnt @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood SMTP and POP3/IMAP are already abused per se since these days you need email servers to send and receive. There was a time you could send and receive directly from your CLI, before spam became a problem, but you still needed an address at least.
     
     So, no, early emails were a lot closer to chats, and didn't even need a server, nor a client that wasn't an UTF terminal
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 05:30:33 JST prettygood

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     • Vokainen
     @vokainen099 @phnt @nyanide @cornfields74 I have fond recollections of using wall on a server to yell at someone to stop meddling with apache configurations on production.
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     Tadano (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:05:58 JST Tadano

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     @nyanide @cornfields74 @prettygood Matrix devs should be flogged publicly for letting that project rot and making a "pro" version of synapse. Literally FDO-tier.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:16:59 JST prettygood

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     @Tadano @nyanide @cornfields74 I couldn't join any rooms that were on matrix.org which pretty much killed its use for like, free software things.
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     Tadano (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:17:02 JST Tadano

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     • cornfields74
     @prettygood @nyanide @cornfields74 I know Conduit's rustware (tranny hazard) but how bad is it?
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:27:25 JST prettygood

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     @kimapr @nyanide @cornfields74 whaddafack. I literally just installed it and ran it. Are you in like turbo-busy channels or something? I'm in a couple of group rooms but nothing crazy.
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     kimapr (kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:27:28 JST kimapr

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     @prettygood @nyanide @cornfields74 That’s neat, how did you do that? my single-user synapse instance (JUST ONE) uses ungodly amounts of disk space and RAM.

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     kimapr (kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jun-2025 16:28:52 JST kimapr

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     @prettygood @nyanide @cornfields74 maybe, i’m in a bunch of random rooms

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