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   [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic: (novenary@akko.wtf)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 00:25:20 JST [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic:
   so just to add some information which is missing from this thread, which I boosted earlier today without checking what it actually looks like on the website
   I now believe that this whole thing is misleading
   it doesn't really seem like 9front is or ever was a fascist project, the community rather seems pretty left-aligned with a somewhat puzzling sense of humor
   
   allegedly, mein kampf was put in so it could be removed rather than as an endorsement, which is a pretty weird way to make a statement
   https://mastodon.social/@CyReVolt/114664679728525590
   
   the FQA seems to corroborate this in "Why did 9front stop making fun of Nazis?"
   https://fqa.9front.org/fqa1.html#1.3.0.1
   
   there are more examples of such crude humor that have since been removed, such as an image comparing ruby on rails to auschwitz
   
   evidently they still seem to be doing some of it as seen in the current release poster and "back cover" which are at https://9front.org/releases/2025/04/26/0/
   
   that aside, the collection of banners at the bottom of the homepage is pretty clearly leftist, if still very strange (see the combination of the USA and Ukrainian flags), even their favicon is the progress flag
   
   so is 9front run by weirdos? yeah, definitely
   but are they nazis? eh, not really
   
   RE: https://boopsnoot.de/@jn/114664211220313672
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     [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic: (novenary@akko.wtf)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 00:26:27 JST [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic:

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     also op accurately describes the two images while seemingly missing the likely intended message, which is drawing the comparison between CECOT and actual nazi concentration camps
     the back cover even has an image from Maus in the corner (which is named in the release title)
     idk, it's a very crude way to deliver the message but it's hard to interpret this as pro-fascist if you take the time to think about it, which I'm pretty sure is intentional
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     Dusk :nonbinary_heart: (bb010g@pony.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 00:27:04 JST Dusk :nonbinary_heart:

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     • jn RA, RB (primary opcode 31)

     @novenary to add to this, the back cover is an example of art intending to make you uncomfortable. (my interpretation:) the back cover is blatant enough to A. drive away corpo types and B. make you stop and think about what's going on. it's to make you go look around for context, to notice the photo behind the drawing in the front cover, to go look for more context in the 9front site if you haven't before. @jn does directly juxtapose analyses in https://boopsnoot.de/@jn/114664245655054406, but they don't draw a connection that where the US is going with deportations to nasty prisons is fucking bad. the political situation should make you deeply uncomfortable too. if you want friendlier art with your hobbyist operating system release from a weird community, the drawing in the front cover is still there. they also name-drop Maus in the release title and reference it again in the back cover.

     the 9front folks want you to think.

     as a bonus, anyone who goes through this will have a better set of expectations for interacting with the community if they decide to do so. even in non-political matters, 9front's public communications are often meant to not go down smooth. a bit of brutalism, a bit of adverserial design, and some unabashed weirdness.

     also, if they are a bunch of fascists currently, they're sure leaving a lot of room to have their messaging read as distinctly anti-fascist.

     for a final note around Why did 9front stop making fun of Nazis?, it reminds me of ex-channers who have noticed The Problem with chan culture and taken reasonable steps since then but also haven't buried their past. i personally don't expect to ever hang out in the 9front community, but the folks seem chill.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 00:39:50 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @novenary Yeah to me 9front is like a small group of internet weirdoes, which means weird humor that doesn't ages well (overton window was at a different place ~15 years ago) nor should be taken out of context (like the similarly old ruby picture probably should have).
     
     Meanwhile there's a ton of internet groups these days where we know they're full on fascists / alt-right right from the homepage, or after joining their channel (suckless, hyperland, …).
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     jn RA, RB (primary opcode 31) (jn@boopsnoot.de)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 03:21:37 JST jn RA, RB (primary opcode 31)

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan @novenary fair points, thank you both. after sleeping on it for a night, i've distilled my gripes somewhat:

     https://boopsnoot.de/@jn/114671594749757068

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     [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic: (novenary@akko.wtf)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 03:49:30 JST [GRLC] (⁠^⁠.⁠_⁠.⁠^⁠)⁠ﾉ :neocat_flag_sapphic:

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     • jn RA, RB (primary opcode 31)
     @jn @lanodan thanks for following up
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