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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:11:13 JST feld
   can someone please enumerate the feature Wayland offers that is not possible on X11?
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:19:45 JST Phantasm

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     Not possible? None
     Not implemented? Variable refresh rates between multiple monitors (missing support in Xinerama) and HDR. That's basically it. Anybody that complains about screen tearing should install a compositor and force vsync.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:54:18 JST feld

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     @viq @pertho well that breaks auto-typing from password managers doesn't it? Last I knew that was still broken in Wayland
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     viq (viq@social.hackerspace.pl)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:54:20 JST viq

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     @feld @pertho isolation between programs, e.g. making it so that not all the programs all the time are able to know all the keys you're pressing?

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:58:13 JST feld

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     > the main difference is avoiding 40 years of accumulated X window system cruft.
     
     This is zoomer logic. Just wait until they learn that the TTY is emulating a typewriter
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     Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ (brettm@swarm.coiloptic.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 06:58:14 JST Ⓑⓡⓔⓣⓣ

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     @feld@friedcheese.us no more framedrops or screen tearing was the reason Wayland was invented. I get zero framedrops with wayland+mpv, even with highly compressed vids (x265, av1, or vp9) and a high bitrate. Apart from that the main difference is avoiding 40 years of accumulated X window system cruft.
     
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:09:35 JST feld

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     @semitones @brettm the most recent Linux tty related CVE:
     
     https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2024-43893
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     Semitones (semitones@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:09:36 JST Semitones

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     @feld @brettm typewriters don't have security vulnerabilities iirc

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:11:13 JST feld

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     @semitones @brettm No. 2 pencils don't have security vulnerabilities either, but I don't see how they're relevant to the conversation
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     Semitones (semitones@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:11:14 JST Semitones

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     @feld @brettm I am taking about literal typewriters

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:25:54 JST feld

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     @semitones @brettm I do, but I don't care because the only vector that matters to the average desktop user has to come from a malicious local process and if someone has that capability I have to assume they already have escalated to root by numerous other vectors at which point it's game over anyway and I have to wipe my entire OS
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     Semitones (semitones@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:25:55 JST Semitones

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     @feld @brettm I don't think you understand the security problems in Xorg either

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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 09:11:10 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @brettm @feld yeah gnome is smooooth for me on wayland
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 18:59:59 JST 翠星石

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     @brettm @feld I don't have framedrops or screen tearing as I don't use proprietary graphics drivers.