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   Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Jun-2025 21:12:54 JST Pirate Praveen

   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
   • Cwtch

   @rysiek @cwtch I think the thought of identifying and stopping users we don't like is a slippery slope. The same thing could be used by governments to stop dissidents. So I think as a technology unable to distinguish and stop users of any political belief or philosophy is important for privacy of people who need it the most. It'd be a shame if we have to give on such a great technology because of the politics of its founder. I think a fork or adopting the protocol in other products is better.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Jun-2025 21:12:52 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @praveen so instead of wasting time on trying to save "such great technology", I choose to promote others building similar tools that happen to not be conspiracy wingnuts and transphobes.

     This way not only we get the amazing technology, but we also promote people who can build it in ethical, thoughtful, considerate way.

     "Great technology" built by shitty people is sucking the air out of the room. I will not be helping with that.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Jun-2025 21:12:53 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @praveen nobody said anything about identifying them. Stopping them – that depends on the specifics of what's going on.

     If a tool is algorithmically promoting content, for example, and happens to reliably promote Nazi content, that's a problem that needs to be solved – or a tool that needs to be ditched.

     All technology is political. One might think they're building a "truly neutral" tool, but no such tool exists. Choices made by it will define how it fits into the broader struggle.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:56:16 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @praveen

     > I would understand that concern for something like mastodon where algorithm pushing ideas are important factor. But how is that relevant for something like Simplex Chat?

     Here:
     https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/114630690383293580

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Cwtch

     @rysiek @cwtch I will also evaluate other options, but I don't think giving up on Simplex Chat protocol is not the only options we have as Simplex Chat is still Free Software. All other peer to peer options I have evaluated so far move far away from traditional server client model and it will take time to mature. But I feel the balance Simplex Chat strikes makes it possible to use it today without all the drawbacks of both traditional server client and peer to peer options.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 07:56:38 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @praveen and I agree code can be forked and worked on independently of whoever created it initially.

     However, I don't see anyone wanting to do that. But I do see @cwtch creating a similar tool in an ethical matter. So I am going to support them instead.

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Cwtch

     @rysiek @cwtch thanks for sharing that. I agree that is bad. But being Free Software, we don't have to accept that. This is not the first time such a thing happened to Free Software. Malicious or privacy invasive features do get into Free Software sometimes. Some examples are Ubuntu once shared search data with Amazon by default. Mozilla made some shitty ToS changes etc. We responded by removing such features in derivatives / forks etc.