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   Kudra :maybe_verified: (kudra@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 03:46:58 JST Kudra :maybe_verified:

   • Cory Doctorow

   @bugwhisperer great work! I'm doing things the opposite way around, got all my websites and domains out of the US and now working on #deGoogling.

   Was never in the #Facebook ecosystem, could see how poisoned it was from the beginning, as @pluralistic put it in his book "The Internet Con":

   "Finally, there’s Facebook, up there in the top right corner: maximum surveillance, maximum control. It’s a company that combines Google's insatiable appetite for your private data with Apple’s iron-fisted control over how you use its service. The worst of all possible worlds."

   Also: AWS? I hope that's only a stepping stone, they are just as shitty as the others.

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     Cory Doctorow (pluralistic@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:27 JST Cory Doctorow

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     @codinghorror @kudra @bugwhisperer @gruber @siracusa

     Meanwhile, Tim Cook's elevation to CEO followed his success at setting up reliable contract manufacturing in China, under working conditions so horrible the manufacturer had to install suicide nets to catch workers who would rather die than spend another day in "iPhone City."

     https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract

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     Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:28 JST Jeff Atwood

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     @kudra @bugwhisperer @pluralistic Yeah. The company run by a gay man who grew up in the American South knows a WHOLE LOT about the value of privacy as a human right. I also grew up poor in the American South, so.. I know the area, and its history, well. cc @gruber and @siracusa

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     Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:28 JST Jeff Atwood

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     @kudra @bugwhisperer @pluralistic @gruber @siracusa this is really a "pick your preferred brand of corporate poison" kind of situation, but I would absolutely put Apple at the top of the corporate-side list, far above all others.

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     Cory Doctorow (pluralistic@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:28 JST Cory Doctorow

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     @codinghorror @kudra @bugwhisperer @gruber @siracusa

     Apple spies on its users in exactly the way Facebook does (and lies about it), and while it blocks FB spying, it doesn't even disclose its own surveillance:

     https://pluralistic.net/2022/11/14/luxury-surveillance/#liar-liar

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     John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:56 JST John Gruber

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     @pluralistic @codinghorror @kudra @bugwhisperer @siracusa If you think the Foxconn/Apple suicide rate was a real problem, what do you think happened after 2010? Do you think it’s the nets catching people? The truth is the suicide rate was 4x lower than the typical US college and lower than the average nationwide in China.

     https://www.wired.com/2011/02/ff-joelinchina/

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     Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:56 JST Jeff Atwood

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     @gruber @pluralistic @kudra @bugwhisperer @siracusa Like I said, pick your poison. I know Cook's heart is true. One hundred percent. But he is a business person with a deep logistics history. Just look at Cook's wikipedia entry and compare Jobs. Do it and see what I saw. Hell, compare any other tech CEO's wikipedia entry while we are at it.

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     Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:56 JST Jeff Atwood

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     @gruber @pluralistic @kudra @bugwhisperer @siracusa Cook is absolutely key to victory here. Apple is a de-facto nation state (run the numbers if you don't believe me), run by an incredibly empathetic person who knows struggle from the earliest days. This is very difficult to say of any other big tech CEOs. So much privilege. So little struggle. How can they possibly understand other people's struggle when they never had very much (or any) in their lives?

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     Jeff Atwood (codinghorror@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:56 JST Jeff Atwood

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     @gruber @pluralistic @kudra @bugwhisperer @siracusa and the next best thing to a woman CEO is a gay male CEO, in my personal opinion. Even then, do they know struggle? Were they born into it? Did they live it? Again, there is a LOT of privilege out there, and I know I'm part of it too, believe me. I know it quite well, because I've been holding this mirror up to myself since 2004 when I started my blog, and eventually, I listen.

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     usuario@instancia.org (usuario@instancia.org)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 09:04:56 JST usuario@instancia.org

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     @codinghorror @gruber @pluralistic @kudra @bugwhisperer @siracusa I think the two Indian guys running G and M also had their difficulties. But I honestly think that after some years of being a millionaire some of the struggles from the past get attenuated.