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   the magnificent rhys (rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 09:01:12 JST the magnificent rhys

   Lots of folks struggling with seeing their preconceptions clash with the reality of public opinion.

   Politics aside, Israel's song was legit better than Austria's — but neither were the best presented tonight.

   What a strange night though! I can't believe Iceland did so poorly!

   #Eurovision

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     the magnificent rhys (rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 09:01:10 JST the magnificent rhys

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     And I find it a weird mix of delicious and sad seeing people immediately turning conspiracy theorist in the wake of seeing how the UK voted, backing Israel for #1.

     First, how one reacts to seeing data contradicting their world view is a damn good measure of their character.

     Second, in both last year and this year's contests I was the only one * in the parties I was at who voted. Anecdotal, but oh my gosh, how these folks preconceived their assumptions on how the wider public act.

     #Eurovision

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     the magnificent rhys (rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 09:01:11 JST the magnificent rhys

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     Fwiw, last year I hosted a #Eurovision party and had to manage one person shouting anti-Israel things. Not to get into the specifics, but it was their view that their song quality didn't matter — it was purely about the war, and their particular view of the war.

     This year, I was at their house and that person plus one other were vociferously anti-Israel — and that's fine. You're allowed to be that. Go nuts.

     But you can't be surprised when most voters in a song contest don't adopt your view.

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     Polychrome :blabcat: (polychrome@poly.cybre.city)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 09:06:25 JST Polychrome :blabcat:

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     @rhys honestly the Israelis I know didn't want to win first place because things are so chaotic over there right now with the war and the massive anti-government protests that they'd rather not have to host. Second place is as good as it gets, which is still a surprise.
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     the magnificent rhys (rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 09:06:27 JST the magnificent rhys

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     This was a bad year overall. I feel sad for Iceland, and some others — Latvia springs to mind.

     But I'm very glad Israel did so well. Their song was in the trend of winners and should have been expected to do well in normal times, even in a bland year like this one.

     But in getting some folks to recognise that their view of things isn't universal? This was a good result for that — and might have been better had they come first.

     #Eurovision

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     Polychrome :blabcat: (polychrome@poly.cybre.city)'s status on Monday, 19-May-2025 12:47:58 JST Polychrome :blabcat:

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     @rhys its probably the language barrier.
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     the magnificent rhys (rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf)'s status on Monday, 19-May-2025 12:47:59 JST the magnificent rhys

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     • Polychrome :blabcat:

     @Polychrome I honestly don't think it'd have been workable had they won. I've been to Israel and wish more people would go and visit to shatter the preconceptions internet discourse conveys, but had they won I think it'd have to have been treated like when Ukraine won — acknowledgement that it'd have been untenable to host it there, and instead hosting it in a friendly nation.