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   Gerry McGovern (gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 23:23:59 JST Gerry McGovern

   "Typical Chat-GPT query uses about 10 times more energy than Google search That’s just for a basic generative AI function. More advanced queries require substantially more power that have to go through an AI Cluster Farm to process large-scale computing between multiple machines."

   "AI is typically deployed in 20-30 cabinet clusters at or above 40 KW per cabinet. This represents a fourfold increase in KW/ cabinet with the deployment of AI. The difference is staggering."

   https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/i-sat-down-with-two-cooling-experts-to-find-out-what-ais-biggest-problem-is-in-the-data-center

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     tinydoctor (tinydoctor@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 16-May-2025 01:52:19 JST tinydoctor

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     @gerrymcgovern I don't use Google search anymore, and have never have used Chat GBT. Nor do I use any the of AI doodads all the already enshittified BE EVIL/BURN THE PLANET/Silicon Valley AI co-religionist techlords are sticking on their front ends. And their ultimate ends are antihuman. I am a human, and thus their enemy. Just sayin' how I really feel.

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     cy (cy@fedicy.us.to)'s status on Friday, 16-May-2025 02:03:11 JST cy

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     • nightoo
     Sounds like the old corporate strategy of getting the consumer to blame themselves for gross industrial excesses. The problem isn't disposable packaging manufacturers... the problem is you littering! Clearly! We should all boycott ChatGPT that would totally fix AI! And meanwhile, the behavioral analysts are quietly burning the planet trying to get their massive computers to figure out how to enslave us all. (Ad/recommender systems)
     
     As this Andy Masley says:
     The data implies that at most all chatbots are only using 1-3% of the energy used on AI.
     CC: @gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green
     
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     nightoo (nightoo@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 16-May-2025 02:03:20 JST nightoo

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     @gerrymcgovern
     AI Chatbots are not the problem, if we're talking about energy use/effects on the climate.
     10x a Google search is still an extremely small amount (as in 3mins of light bulb small!), and the 10x figure is also quite outdated (we're approaching 1x recently it seems)

     The real AI-electricity offenders are apparently ad/recommender systems etc. and industrial applications.

     I can recommend this post for a detailed discussion:
     https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversations-about