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   rvstaveren (rvstaveren@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:38:56 JST rvstaveren

   I feel being watched 👀
   Smart TVs fingerprinting what you watch. Even if you use your TV as a terminal for hdmi output 😱

   A (scary) talk by Dr. Anna Maria Mandalari, Imperial College London #RIPE90

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:38:54 JST Rich Felker

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     @rvstaveren I'm pretty sure any such label would be more harmful than helpful. Box-checking exercise that would penalize good products that don't check one of the boxes because it's anti-user (like forcing 2FA) while helping bad products promote themselves (like if they have "E2EE" where the service provider is the one who attests to the legitimacy of your counterparty's public key).

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     rvstaveren (rvstaveren@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:38:55 JST rvstaveren

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     Also your smart medical devices can be sniffed but also manipulated, giving you false readings or disrupt their working #RIPE90

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     rvstaveren (rvstaveren@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:38:55 JST rvstaveren

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     Would really love to see an “energy label” like rating for IoT certification for grading a device’s privacy/security level #RIPE90

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:40 JST Rich Felker

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     • Mischa 🐡😎

     @dangoodin @mischa @thinkberg @rvstaveren Browser on a laptop, phone or tablet, Roku (standalone device that only sees what you do on it not everything you use your TV for, and that's not ad-subsidized) or similar settop device, etc...

     I want that integrated with my TV just about as much as I wanted a VHS player integrated with my TV in the late 80s or early 90s, incentivizing throwing away the TV that would otherwise last a lifetime as soon as the tape mechanism breaks or VHS becomes obsolete.

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     Dan Goodin (dangoodin@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:41 JST Dan Goodin

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     • Mischa 🐡😎

     @mischa @thinkberg @rvstaveren @dalias

     Sorry for crashing your thread, but I'm curious: do y'all just not ever stream videos or do you somehow stream without using smart TVs?

     Rich Felker repeated this.
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     Mischa 🐡😎 (mischa@exquisite.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:43 JST Mischa 🐡😎

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     @thinkberg @rvstaveren maybe because they can’t make money of your data? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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     thinkberg (thinkberg@tetrax.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:44 JST thinkberg

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     @mischa @rvstaveren I just wonder why, its not like there is so much difference in the tech.

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     Mischa 🐡😎 (mischa@exquisite.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:47 JST Mischa 🐡😎

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     @thinkberg @rvstaveren yup… :)

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     thinkberg (thinkberg@tetrax.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:48 JST thinkberg

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     • Mischa 🐡😎

     @mischa @rvstaveren price is an issue with sizes >42“

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     Mischa 🐡😎 (mischa@exquisite.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:49 JST Mischa 🐡😎

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     @thinkberg @rvstaveren computer monitor is a little to small. Larger dumb screens are extremely expensive. Not connected is a good trade off. Our “smart TV” has never been connected.

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     thinkberg (thinkberg@tetrax.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:50 JST thinkberg

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     • Mischa 🐡😎

     @mischa @rvstaveren the reason I use computer monitors without smart functions for tv.

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     Mischa 🐡😎 (mischa@exquisite.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 01:26:53 JST Mischa 🐡😎

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     @rvstaveren Wtf

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 02:42:46 JST Rich Felker

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     • Dan Goodin
     • thinkberg
     • Mischa 🐡😎

     @dangoodin @mischa @thinkberg @rvstaveren See the very head of this thread. The topic was smart TVs spying on things you watch *not throught their smarts*, even via external video inputs.

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     Dan Goodin (dangoodin@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 02:42:47 JST Dan Goodin

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     @dalias @mischa @thinkberg @rvstaveren

     I respect your preferences and choices, but I have to ask, what's the factual basis for saying Roku doesn't collect as much data as Smart TV makers? Roku collects the same data about viewing habits as Samsung et al., and they see every stream you do over its platform.

     https://forums.puri.sm/t/data-collected-on-me-by-roku/16337

     https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/roku-streaming-sticks/

     https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/home-entertainment/is-your-roku-tv-spying-on-you-likely-but-heres-how-you-can-take-back-control/

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     Mischa 🐡😎 (mischa@exquisite.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-May-2025 02:42:59 JST Mischa 🐡😎

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     @dangoodin @thinkberg @rvstaveren @dalias external device so I don’t have to buy a new TV when “they” stop supporting it. Plus… don’t want a smart TV (connected to my network).