Stefan Bohacek
What on earth, SoundCloud??
"In the absence of a separate agreement that states otherwise, You explicitly agree that your Content may be used to inform, train, develop or serve as input to artificial intelligence or machine intelligence technologies or services as part of and for providing the services."
https://soundcloud.com/terms-of-use
via @sarahdal https://crispsandwi.ch/@sarahdal/114477755873097160
Kit Rhett Aultman
@stefan @sarahdal Yep, likely to train AI DJ tools, and then likely just AI DJs in general.
This is precisely why I don't publish mixes on SoundCloud.
Kit Rhett Aultman
@ianh @stefan @sarahdal Please understand that I first tried to teach myself on vinyl over 20 years ago, and failed, and have a lot of respect for those who could train their ears in that world. But I draw a sharp distinction between "computer derived" and an AI DJ. It's the difference between the "centaur" and "reverse centaur" in Cory Doctorow's terms. What separates a vinyl DJ from a digital one is a matter of degree; an AI DJ is different from both by a quantum leap.
Ian.H :elephpant:
@roadriverrail @stefan @sarahdal Unfortunately, with today's quantising, other than a few, I feel that a lot of DJing has long since become computer derived.. gimme some vinyl and 1210s any day!
This aside, I certainly don't agree with any of this AI training stuff on people's creatives.
botvolution
@stefan
The pushback and account deletions must have given him a bit of a shock to have the t&cs redone so fast
Stefan Bohacek
And another update from SoundCloud support:
"With our upcoming Terms of Use update, SoundCloud will not use your content to train generative AI models unless you’ve explicitly given consent via an opt-in mechanism.
That means by default, your content will not be used for AI training, so no action is required on your part to protect your content."
And they linked to a letter from their CEO.
https://press.soundcloud.com/249951-new-campaign-may-14-2025
"SoundCloud has never used artist content to train AI models. Not for music creation. Not for large language models. Not for anything that tries to mimic or replace your work."
Stefan Bohacek
Not a very satisfying response.
"SoundCloud has never used any artist content to train AI models, nor do we develop AI tools or allow third parties to scrape or use SoundCloud-hosted content for AI training purposes. [...]
At this time, there is no opt-out mechanism available."
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