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   DeezMistaReez :verified: (deezmistareez@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:13 JST DeezMistaReez :verified:

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   Nice. Might buy one tomorrow.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:13 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Don't forget to CBD your OPP before the DMZ CPTs the GRT. 😏
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     WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:14 JST WilhelmIII

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     • heytomjones

     The 6.8 SPC upper will fit on a standard 5.56 lower.

     You need a new BCG too.

     Same with 300 BLK

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     WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:15 JST WilhelmIII

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     The original 55gr 5.56 is very meh. It came out of the "more rounds sent downrange is better" school of thought in the 1960s.

     The 62gr green tip is perfectly acceptable as a man stopper and does a decent job against armored troops. That's the current .mil issue for the M4 platform.

     Some of the contractors went to 77gr for a bit more terminal performance. It's an interesting compromise and was chosen because 62gr doesn't penetrate vehicles as well.

     6.8SPC has been used by the Army for the Marksmanship Unit. It's just a barrel swap in an existing M4. It's almost as fast as 5.56, it hits harder and we have tons of performance data on it out of the M4.

     That would have been a no-brainer upgrade, but that's not how the logistics pipeline thinks.

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     DeezMistaReez :verified: (deezmistareez@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:15 JST DeezMistaReez :verified:

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     >6.8 SPC
     So, I can use my existing 5.56 lower and just order the full 6.8 (2.77 Fury) upper? Or do I need to go up to the .308 lower?
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     thefinn (thefinn@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:16 JST thefinn

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     @WilhelmIII @heytomjones Yeah I thought this was done and dusted years ago.
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     WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:16 JST WilhelmIII

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     • heytomjones

     The M4 as a platform, with the current Army logistic infrastructure, is fine for the foreseeable future.

     The 5.56 has been kinda a meh cartridge since it was introduced, so replacing it isn't a terrible idea.

     Moving to a 6.5mm or 6.8mm doesn't require an all new rifle, just a new barrel and maybe magazines.

     But generals don't get promoted by not changing things.

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     thefinn (thefinn@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:16 JST thefinn

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     @WilhelmIII @heytomjones I know they are not too impressed with the m4 - it does well for everything except killing people.
     
     I think this is a perception problem since the various wars in the ME, due to coming up against the Kalashnikov's, and so they wanted to change it. I thought the plan was a 6.5, the XM7 was simply not meeting standards.
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     WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:17 JST WilhelmIII

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     We said this after the first trials.

     it's too complicated, the high pressure will wear out barrels and you've fucked your supply line by making overly proprietary ammo.

     It made money for the defense industry, though, so of course the Army bought it.

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     heytomjones (heytomjones@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:59:18 JST heytomjones
     young Army officer calls out what many know.
     
     it'd be neat if he did a follow-up paper on the peanut butter P320 that Sig swears is so safe even a ukrainian could handle it.
     
     https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-sig-sauer-xm7/