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:isopodgaming: :nonbinaryverified: (root@isopod.zone)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:25:46 JST :isopodgaming: :nonbinaryverified:

A beefy enough hetzner VPS to run my instance twice over costs like $4 and you even get the "app view" and "data server" included free of charge

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  Filippo Valsorda :go: (@filippo@abyssdomain.expert)
  
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  Running a full-network Bluesky relay costs less ($19) than my beefy but ~single user Mastodon hosted instance ($24). People underestimate how much data optimized software can move through efficient protocols on modern non-cloud hardware. https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:25:45 JST wormthen
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  @root relays aren't important for running an end-user server tho, they're designed primarily for developers running an app that want complete control over their infrastructure
  
  most end-users are meant to run the data server (which can use any other relay, appview and frontend) and is slightly cheaper to run than your instance + way more important than a relay
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:35:48 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root you literally host one
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:35:49 JST jade
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  @authen @root hosting a pds is a waste of money anyways
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:41:00 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root i have like multiple full network relays connected to mine that aren't hosted by bluesky, appviews are starting to be tested hard enough for self-hosting and those do all the caching and shit for you
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:41:01 JST jade
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  @authen @root not for any practical reason i did it because i could if the appview or relay infrastructure go down you can't post and if you get blocked from either you're screwed. its decentralization without the benefits of decentralization and your posts still end up cached and served by central bluesky servers
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:51:34 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root once the tooling is there which is the matter of adding a migration feature to the app (or on a website because its all based on an API) and managed hosting services start up (for people running their own servers)
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:51:35 JST jade
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  @authen @root can the millions of monthly active users easily do this from their iphone?
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 07:55:41 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root meanwhile when the millions of monthly active users on their iphone tried to move their accounts to another mastodon instance after being told that using mastodon.social isn't "decentralized enough" they had to figure out why their posts didn't come with them and why some of their friends couldn't be found on their new server
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:10:42 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root yes
  
  * https://deer.social/profile/did:plc:q6gjnaw2blty4crticxkmujt/post/3kyi6qhtor32h
  * https://deer.social/profile/did:plc:ragtjsm2j2vknwkz3zp4oxrd/post/3lkmfkut3zs2c
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    Jaz (@jaz.bsky.social)
    
    ↩️ reply to jack (@j4ck.xyz): Right now you can migrate off a Bluesky operated PDS to one operated by anyone else (yourself included). We've got more work to do on making that flow easy-to-do and maybe build a UI around it in the app. If you get permabanned and you're on our PDS, your content becomes unavailable atm.
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    Paul Frazee (@pfrazee.com)
    
    ↩️ reply to futur (@futur.blue): [muttering] we know we know
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:10:43 JST jade
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  @authen @root and is this something that they EVER plan on doing or a perfect future scenario
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:11:15 JST jade
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  @authen @root BOTH bluesky and the fediverse SUCK at the whole decentralized social media concept
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:15:06 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root the core protocol is there and bluesky's services abide by its rules and all of its mechanisms it just hasn't built in the tools needed for the average guy who doesn't know shit about protocols to take advantage of it
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:15:07 JST jade
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  @authen @root not because bluesky doesn't have the potential but because they just haven't done it at all yet
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:21:45 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root found this that covers both account recovery and core account stuff wrt PDSes (including migration) https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/discussions/3176#discussioncomment-11467553
  
  main thing is just that stuff like verification badges and other app features have higher priority compared to smaller, less apparent changes like these
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    Account Migration Details · bluesky-social/atproto · Discussion #3176
    
    These are more detailed notes on account migration, which have been pulled out of the Account Hosting specification to this less-formal document for now This sections below document current best pr...
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:21:48 JST jade
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  @authen @root especially with moderation being forcefully enabled on the official clients
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:21:50 JST jade
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  @authen @root im just getting the impression thats outside the scope of the bluesky brand the way theyve been doing things so far
  
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  jade (karebu@social.karebu.gay)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:21:52 JST jade
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  @authen @root asides from pds migration do they actually plan on making it something thats part of the bluesky experience/app rather than people having to install a different client to take true advantage of atproto thats whats not clear to me
  
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  wormthen (authen@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 08:25:14 JST wormthen
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  @karebu @root i know that they have different ways of moderating content (https://fediversereport.com/bluesky-censorship-and-country-based-moderation/#db5eb1d0-7f14-4896-b807-cc24f64ab120-link) that also account for third-party PDSes
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    Bluesky, censorship and country-based moderation
    
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    This week, Bluesky hid accounts in for users in Turkey after a government order. I take a closer look at government censorship and ATProto, how geographic moderation labelers work, and the impact on the future of decentralised social networks.

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