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   Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️ (xgranade@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:11:25 JST Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

   I used to use the web on a 56k modem... how is shit *slower* to load now, on symmetric gigabit internet?

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:11:15 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     @xgranade is it? i vividly remember 56k modems and they sure were slower (leaving aside whether the current state is great or not)

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:45:07 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     @xgranade yeah the SPA bullshit is a scourge

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     Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️ (xgranade@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:45:09 JST Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

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     • ✧✦Catherine✦✧

     @whitequark Maybe I'm romanticizing, yeah, but just had to wait about a minute for what was morally a 1 kB static page, but that was so loaded down with SPA interactivity that it took forever.

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:48:13 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     @xgranade you are literally just correct yeah

     the one thing i've used react for is the https://amaranth-lang.org/play/ (mostly because i wanted a tabbed widget that is accessible and doesn't look like dogshit) and that straight up downloads python and yosys and doesn't work without them

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     Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️ (xgranade@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:48:14 JST Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

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     • ✧✦Catherine✦✧

     @whitequark I can even see it, though I still disagree, for highly interactive stuff, but this was a page that just showed a bank account balance, with a bunch of links to other stuff. There's no reason at *all* that needs to be a client-side SPA.

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:54:44 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     @xgranade also that page loads yosys etc in background so time to domcontentloaded on simulated 3G is just 34s

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     Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️ (xgranade@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 01-May-2025 13:54:46 JST Cassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

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     • ✧✦Catherine✦✧

     @whitequark That makes total sense. If you have something that actually *uses* SPA stuff, I really deeply don't mind — that's a perfect usecase and very, very cool. I just get get-off-my-lawn kinds of cranky when people very badly reinvent static pages.