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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:00:10 JST Fish of Rage
   Is the Ukraine army a Nazi bar
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:10:39 JST Fish of Rage

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     @7666 it's way past that point. also it totally would apply to the ukraine army because if you let just one nazi in even if he's a "good guy" then more will show up, right?"
     
     alternatively, it's a shit metaphor
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:10:41 JST 7666

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     @sun this analogy keeps getting thrown around and it too will completely lose meaning and turn into a groan fest like "fascist" or "racist"
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     Rain (rain@melonbread.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:11:09 JST Rain

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     @7666 @sun We are at the point where it says more about the people throwing those words around then the people they are talking about
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:18:36 JST Fish of Rage

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     @adiz @7666 it breaks the metaphor because you're supposed to conclude that not one drop of nazism is okay. but the ukraine army, which had an entire neo nazi division, was deemed acceptable. so, the nazi bar, which statistically 100% of the time is applied to people that aren't even actually nazis, is not a serious concept.
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     👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:18:37 JST 👺防空識別區👹

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     @sun @7666 I mean, a non-inconsequential percentage of the post-coup Ukrainian military is or has been comprised of neo-Nazi paramilitary groups.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:19:46 JST Fish of Rage

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     @7666 there's historical reasons why ukraine is like this and I accept its practical necessity under the current circumstances.
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:19:48 JST 7666

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     @sun I like to counter with "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" anyhow
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:19:52 JST lainy

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     @sun @7666 @adiz what does nazi mean in this context?
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:21:22 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lain @7666 @adiz are you referring to the nazi bar metaphor nazi or are you talking about the ukraine army nazi
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:22:44 JST lainy

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     @sun @7666 @adiz the Ukrainians. I doubt they are all members of the national socialist workers party.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:22:45 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lain @7666 @adiz soldiers in the ukraine army had swastika and sonnenrad tattoos and trained with neo nazis in the USA, there were articles about how ukraine was a training source for american nazis prior to 2014
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:25:23 JST Fish of Rage

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     @7666 @adiz @lain this is not all or most of them but there were a LOT of them. Supposedly they have been purged. I think that's a lie but that's the story.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:26:39 JST Fish of Rage

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     @7666 @adiz @lain https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-backed-fascist-azov-battalion-in-ukraine-is-training-and-radicalizing-american-white-supremacists/251951/
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     Dewoo Alt-dog (dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:29:52 JST Dewoo Alt-dog

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     @lain @7666 @adiz @sun Ukrainians have a really weird relationship with Nazism. They simultaneously identify with and glorify the nationalists who collaborated with the Nazis AND the Soviet Red Army who defeated them
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:30:15 JST Fish of Rage

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     @dwaltiz @7666 @lain @adiz and just to be clear even though I mentioned it before, I understand historically why they have this problem and think its pragmatic that you'd choose to deal with it AFTER you repel the invasion happening to your country.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:35:55 JST Fish of Rage

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     @adiz @7666 @lain @dwaltiz mainly the reason I brought it up is, people don't actually believe in the "nazi bar" metaphor, it's just used to purge people that get pejoratively called nazis. then somebody shows up with real nazis and everybody makes excuses.
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     👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:35:56 JST 👺防空識別區👹

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     @dwaltiz I think it depends on the part of Ukraine and the sort of Ukrainians you're talking about. Criticize Russia all one wants, but Ukraine was oppressing ethnic Russians after the coup, Donbass and other separatists regions did genuinely want to break away from Ukraine and/or otherwise become part of the Russian Federation, and Crimea did pass a referendum to join Russia. These were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and were actively harassed and treated hostile by the post-coup government after 2014. And, these are probably the people who supported or extolled, traditionally, the Red Army. Whereas Western Ukrainians were/are probably those more supportive of Nazi Germany. @7666 @lain @sun