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   Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 01:06:49 JST Church of Jeff

   https://www.instagram.com/rednblacksalamander/

   #NoBillionaires #TaxTheRich #EatTheRich #GuillotinesWork

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 03:30:08 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace -- Absolutely... which is why we revere the guillotine.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 03:30:09 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     do people who advocate for the use of guillotines in the modern day remember how the French Revolution ended

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:17:08 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     That is typical of all revolutions. Even the American Revolution. That is a bit of US History people ignored too. British Loyalists were brutalized.

     The major figure you're talking about in the French Revolution would be Maximilien Robespierre. He was an advocate for the guillotine and put it into use, and then had his own head come off in one.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:17:09 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     we must have taken different history classes then because the way I remember it, once they finished beheading all the nobility, they started using it on random citizens they suspected of disloyalty, killing over 100,000 and ultimately culminating in the beheading of the leader of the Resistance

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:22:38 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     Absolutely, but when it comes to revolutions, it's already too late.

     It is the end result of the government/monarchy/power failing through all the other warning signs of public unrest.

     It's why we have a 1st Amendment and the 2nd Amendment in the United States.

     "Riot is the language of the unheard."
     -- MLK Jr.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:22:39 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     This might be a hot take but I think it would be good if when we went after billionaires we did not then decide to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people and convince ourselves we were justified in doing so

     esp since that's kind of what we're mad at the Nazis for doing

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:32:10 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     What I'm saying is that there is a system in place to ensure a peaceful change in government.

     That system is predicated entirely on the consent of the governed to be ruled.

     If governments and the rulers do not fulfill their obligations to the citizens, it is the DUTY of the citizenry to rise up.

     This is the way of the world, It is the root of the American and French Revolutions. It is the catalyst for all revolution.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:32:11 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     so to be clear, you think thousands of innocent lives are an acceptable price to pay for the demise of billionaires?

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:34:29 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace -- You are under some illusion that people aren't dying or aren't suffering CURRENTLY.

     If it is a crime to want revolution, even if it will cost many many lives, then it is a crime to stand there and advocate for the status quo that cost many many lives now.

     One is costing lives with no progress. At least in one instance, we are making progress.

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:42:30 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     LOL, Like I have any power here.

     I'm explaining that your stance is just as evil as mine and your "moral righteousness" is anything but. At least in revolution, we are moving things forward.

     This is simply the way of the world. The populace will rise up eventually.

     Does revolution guarantee the loss of innocent lives? No. Has it historically been that way? Yes.

     These are the intrinsic facts.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:42:31 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     what in God's name gives you the right to decide that thousands of people should die to advance your ideals?

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:55:31 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     Because we follow the Paradox of Tolerance and you're in danger with the other groups.

     I'm not saying that we don't do all the things you suggest, but the promise of revolution is what makes progress happen before then. If you denounce violence and rising up, then the powerful actually don't need to do anything except ignore you.

     EVERYONE needs to be on the same page that eventually SHTF, and power cannot ignore the populace.

     You don't give up your trump card.

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 04:55:32 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     "thousands should die for my ideology" is just as evil as "we should perhaps consider alternative avenues such as a general strike before actually starting a genocide on our own people just to get rid of the ones at the top"

     can someone please remind me why I hang out with leftists

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:20:12 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Vincent Sparks

     @AVincentInSpace --

     Trying to condemn me for possible future deaths associated with a hypothetical revolution that may or may not happen is an interesting take, though.

     Again, there isn't a point in time past or current that is not seeing the constant churn of human lives and the quantity of death acceptable by a society.

     You don't have the same fervor going after people currently and actively harming people with the status quo as you fight future hypothetical change.

     🤣🤣🤣 🤡

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     Vincent Sparks (avincentinspace@furry.engineer)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 05:20:13 JST Vincent Sparks

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     @jeffowski

     I do believe it is likely that, should a general strike occur, strike breakers instructed to use deadly force will be deployed, as they were in the gilded age. Can we at least wait until that happens so we can call it self defense? And can we please restrict ourselves to using violence against those who would verifiably use it against us?

     Innocent people who did not sign up to die for the revolution should not die for the revolution. This is not negotiable.