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   Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:07 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer
   @cough >Woman does not understand technology
   Typical.
   Solar stayed online the entire day and the blackout came from grid issues. The fossil generators had to be shut down and they tried to restart them from scratch which is apparently very difficult. But I suspect most people on here will praise you for being "based"
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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:04 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     @IceCubeSoup @cough The grid is already recovering within 24 hours. It is taking that long because fossil generators, frequently touted by fudders you sound like you listen to as "better for load peaks", are completely unable to react. Somehow this is all renewables' fault.
     
     Deranged republican priors award
     No idea what you're talking about award
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:04 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Did fossil generators have this issue before solar was put on the grid?
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:05 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @WandererUber No.

     The grid is fragile because the grid is fragile.

     We w0nT knOw Th3 caUsE foR m4Ny d4yS !!

     Your thesis depends on the idea that there are no constraints or restrictions places on Spanish grid engineers (and other engineering types) by EU politicians.

     The immediate "cause" of the failure isn't the issue. The inability to recover is the issue.

     @cough

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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:06 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     @IceCubeSoup @cough "EU politicians and Spanish grid engineers are the same people"

     OK pal

     Nobody knows the cause. Their working hypothesis is induced atmosphere vibration.

     It was sunny in the whole of Spain for the whole day and solar kept working through the outage. As usual, nobody has any idea what they're talking about.

     weather data for Spain today

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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:11:07 JST IceCubeSoup

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     >> which is apparently very difficult.

     the point is that the same people making decisions about inclusion of "renewable" in the grid are the same morons responsible for mis-managing a grid with no understanding of how difficult it is to do a "black start" after everything goes haywire due to an overly interconnected grid.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:19:59 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     So, if I'm understanding, renewables can make the load deviation far greater. If so, doesn't that entail that if the deviations are greater than historical norms, we can conclude that renewables are the "proximate cause," since they are the change to the status quo?
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:20:00 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @Humpleupagus
     Yes and no.

     We've seen problems like this going back to the '70s. And it has nothing to do with "fossil" or "renewable".

     It has to do with the fragility of the grid, and how bringing a power station back onto the grid suddenly can trip all the safety features which causes a cascade of failures to being with.

     The problem with "renewables" is that you don't have the flexibility to "pour on the coal" to make up for losses due to losing one of your plants

     @WandererUber @cough

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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:20:42 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     @Humpleupagus @IceCubeSoup @cough Yes they did. The British have a hydroelectric power station whose sole purpose it is to respond to the demand from people turning the kettle on during TV ad breaks, because fossil generators can not react.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
     
     Their reaction time is not impacted just because someone built a switching inverter that can do it in 10 seconds. Sorry, they'll just have to do better!
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:20:42 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @WandererUber
     You are misinterpreting that.

     That is a situation they understood, happened on a quite regular basis, and could easily plan for.

     @Humpleupagus @cough

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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:27:51 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     @Humpleupagus @IceCubeSoup @cough >renewables can make the load deviation far greater
     No they can't. Load is power draw, not generation.
     He is simply talking out of his ass. The sun was out the whole day, solar panels can immediately respond to spikes in demand, whereas fossil generators take hours to spool up.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:27:51 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I simply made a rhetorical observation for purposes of discussion and you state that "I'm talking of my ass." Why are you such a hysterical faggot?
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:28:32 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @WandererUber @Humpleupagus @cough

     > solar panels can immediately respond to spikes in demand

     ridiculous. You can't increase the amount of sunlight falling on solar panels.

     a response time in hours is fine. This would never have been in the news if they'd been able to respond in hours.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:32:16 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     My issue is really one of cause. To paraphrase Aristotle, for every event there are an infinite of causes. Pointing to fossil generators seems a little misguided when the result was likely predictable.
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:32:17 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @Humpleupagus
     I think the hysterical faggot is targeting me.

     @WandererUber @cough

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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:40:18 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     @Humpleupagus @IceCubeSoup @cough I wasn't even pointing at fossil generators. It's clearly a grid issue, their hypothesis is some atmospheric interference and I believe I've said this.
     In contrast, THIS ENTIRE THREAD is "pointing to renewables" as the sole cause
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     Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:58:33 JST Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer

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     • IceCubeSoup
     @IceCubeSoup @Humpleupagus @cough the argument from the OP is what I was responding to and it literally is
     "they built renewable and therefore the grid crashed"
     and that's obviously what I meant.
     what the fuck are you saying?
     
     if "fossil generator" hurts your feelings, just replace it with the correct term, who cares.
     
     It *is* a grid problem but you kept inserting things about how it's still renewables fault. Not even sure what your point is anymore. Mine was simply "blaming renewables for this is not accurate"
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:58:33 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @WandererUber
     >> "they built renewable and therefore the grid crashed"

     no.

     they built renewables because of the changing political environment, without considering the consequences from a larger engineering perspective.

     >> It *is* a grid problem but you kept inserting things about how it's still renewables fault.

     No, I didn't.

     My point the entire time, from the beginning, was about poor decision making due to political considerations.

     @Humpleupagus @cough

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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 07:58:34 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @WandererUber
     >> In contrast, THIS ENTIRE THREAD is "pointing to renewables" as the sole cause

     No, it isn't. That's your sensitivities causing you to be reactive.

     Just like you using the intentionally pejorative "fossil generators".

     I have been the one trying to make the point that the grid is the problem. You started out blaming "fossil generators"

     @Humpleupagus @cough

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     Goalkeeper (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 11:09:45 JST Goalkeeper

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     your "renewable" energy sources.

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     Wrath (eiswald@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 11:09:45 JST Wrath

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     @Goalkeeper @WandererUber @IceCubeSoup @cough I hate green grift kikes so fucking much it's unreal. They've completely subverted and destroyed real environmentalism for their own benefit.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 11:10:01 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @Goalkeeper @IceCubeSoup @Eiswald @WandererUber @cough It even glows green
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     Goalkeeper (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Apr-2025 11:10:02 JST Goalkeeper

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     You want green energy? It's nuclear. That's it.

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