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   👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 12:51:11 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

   Just out of curiosity, people who are not blind or visually impaired, how many of you can read braille?

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     👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:04:31 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

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     @BryanGreyson A slate and stylus? And I don't know German braille, but I'm always happy to help in English if I can!

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:04:32 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet Very curious answer:

     The more I encounter it in the last few months, the more I get used to READING it, as in, I accidentally learn more of which Braille is which letter or number if I SEE it. Still far from perfect, though.

     As in actually able to use it: No, I can absolutely not feel at which places the points are, my fingers aren't sensitive enough, yet. 😭

     But I bought one of those Braille board thingies to punch your own Braille into paper!

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     Apocat (apocalypse_kitten@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:10:27 JST Apocat

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     @Fragglemuppet Visually, I was able to read simple braille, slowly, but I'm out of practice. And I had no luck with reading by touch. I could maybe have managed with extra large dots?

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     👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:23:32 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

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     @BryanGreyson Ah, I see the problem. There are differences for grade 2 and computer braille. For business cards and such people mostly use grade 2. The @ sign is dot 4, and the . sign is dots 2 5 6.

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:23:33 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet I...think so? Translation websites say "Braille board" or "Braille tablet", and some metal pins that you punch into the paper with. :-D

     And well, if you reliably know which dots to use for @ in English, especially in e-mail-addresses, feel free to let me know. 😊

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     👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:34:34 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

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     @BryanGreyson It is confusing, even for blind people. I took Spanish in school and learned Spanish braille, and even just in English there are many varients and everyone has their favorite that they defend!

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:34:35 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet Oh my, as someone that has no clue and really just tries to get into this because he wants more accessibility in things, this is really confusing to learn, especially with language differences. 😅

     Thank you very much, I'll note this down on a note on that board of mine. ❤️

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     👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:46:57 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

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     @BryanGreyson Yikes, and in English dot 3 is apostrophe. Thanks for the mini lesson! I've always been interested in other languages in braille. I used to have old reference books with the alphabet in Arabic, Greek and Hebrew, but I don't think I have them anymore.

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 15:46:58 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet I mean, at least numbers and letters seem to be the same between English and German, but even the period / full stop is different. In German it's just dot 3.

     I wish stuff was standardized, of course except letters not existing in other languages. *sighs*

     Same with sign languages. I was like "oh, learning sign language would be cool. I wonder if there's a universal one.", NO, of course not, of course German-speaking countries alone have like, two or three, I don't know. *cries*

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     👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle (fragglemuppet@fandom.ink)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 16:00:46 JST 👩‍🦯The Blind Fraggle

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     @BryanGreyson The way I see braille now is it's mostly just an interesting skill to have, a curiosity. I guess for small things like business cards and bathroom signs and such it's useful, so it's still a good idea for people to learn it, but for things like reading textbooks and writing papers it's not practical. Then of course there's electronic braille, and a lot of people do like reading books that way.

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 16:00:48 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet That said: It's a pity Braille stuff is so expensive, like, I'd love to be able to print stuff in Braille. But the actual, electronic printers are so limited in numbers and so damn expensive.

     One would think with how many low-vision or blind people there are, these things would at some point become a bit more mass-market accepted.

     But I guess in the age of computers it shifts more towards screenreaders than printed stuff.

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 16:00:49 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet It's interesting, but also depressing. 😄
     Erm, with Latin letters, I mean.
     Languages using completely different ones like that, I can understand the Braille is different, of course!

     Maybe I should just learn it in English as, you know, universal language like written English.

     That's also what I considered for sign languages, but in that area, there are even different English sign languages, soo, yeah, I won't be able to learn that in my life anymore. 😄

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 00:49:39 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet all this accessibility stuff is a really fun and interesting field, and while it's kinda depressing it's still so limited and not cared for, the last few years have been better, at least when it comes to video games, I think.

     And at least here on Mastodon far more people write alt-text, that's also nice.

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     RealZero (bryangreyson@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 00:49:40 JST RealZero

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     @Fragglemuppet Yeah, especially as I've seen how thick printed, for example, Harry Potter book in Braille are, I can kinda understand that. 😄

     Ah well, for now I'll stick to creating captions/subtitles for cartoon animation stuff, but maybe as a next endeavor I'll try to write a script for an "audio description" for a show's episode or something, just to see how much work it is.

     (Just the text writing, though, my voice isn't nice enough for that.^^)

     To me, as someone who doesn't need it YET

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